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What Could Have Been: BATMAN in filmAnonymous
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BATMAN by Tom Manciewitz

>Originally, Mankiewicz had wanted an unknown actor for Batman, William Holden for James Gordon, David Niven as Alfred Pennyworth, and Peter O'Toole as the Penguin. A number of filmmakers were attached to Mankiewicz' script, including Ivan Reitman and Joe Dante. Reitman wanted to cast Bill Murray as Batman, Michael J. Fox as Robin, and Eddie Murphy as The Joker.

>The original script was written by Tom Mankiewicz, an on-set writer for the Superman movies. It bores little resemblance to the final movie, and was made to keep the project alive as directors and creatives looked at it and either showed interest or passed it on.

>The Mankiewicz script opens in Wayne Manor in 1960 when Bruce Wayne is ten years old. His father, Dr. Thomas Wayne, is running for City Council. The family, including Bruce's mother, Martha, and their butler, Alfred, are established in some gentle scenes demonstrating that young Bruce is a science whiz who has even created a hologram in his basement laboratory.

>The family goes out to a movie to see the Audrey Hepburn film THE NUN'S STORY and afterwards the inevitable robbery and murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne take place while they're on their way back to the car. Joe Chill is the killer in this version of the movie, but he's depicted as a contract killer.

>The reason Mankiewicz chose to open the film with the death of Bruce Wayne's parents, rather than build up to something this brutal and shocking, was to establish the reality of the film, which was the same purpose behind having Marlon Brando portray Jor-el in the first Superman film. He also wanted to show more of Bruce's time growing up after the murders took place to portray his growth, similar to Kal-El growing up in Smallville.

>Rupert Thorne has Thomas Wayne killed in order to win an election bid.

>Using a newspaper headline reference to Richard Nixon, we realize that it is now the early 1970s and one night Bruce encounters some street criminals (portrayed as typical biker thugs) who shoot a man in front of his wife and daughter. This is all too familiar to Bruce and he confronts the hoods and in a brutal fight scene he overcomes them. When Bruce realizes that the crime victim has died, it has a profound effect on him. Back at Wayne Manor, Bruce accidentally discovers a cave beneath the home, and the bats he finds in there inspire him and ultimately lead to him becoming Batman.

>Batman's first appearance in the movie would have been an unconventional one, taking place in a subway train.

>Silver St. Cloud was a major character in the script, as much of the script's storyline was based upon the Strange Apparitions mini-series. She would have been Batman's main love interest, working for a smitten but resentful Rupert Thorne.

>The script also contained a party sequence at Wayne Manor, much like the final film. In this script however, The Joker would crash the party and rob all of the guests, ultimately humiliating Commissioner Gordon. The Joker is later revealed to be in cahoots with Rupert Thorne.

>The Penguin would also have made an appearance in the film as a secondary villain, described as having a body temperature of 65 degrees and living in sub-zero temperatures. He would've been portrayed as more gaunt and thin than the usual portly rotund version seen in the comics.

>Another sequence would take place on a TV game show. A contestant is in front of a huge slot machine which begins showing images of The Joker on the video screens until the real Joker bursts out of one of them and holds the contestant and the audience at gun point. The Joker then announces that from that moment forward, whenever the Batman makes a public appearance, a prominent citizen of Gotham City will be murdered by the Joker.

>Bruce Wayne attends the opera and an imposter Batman attends the party as a set-up to ruin Batman's reputation.

>Some people in the crowd jeer the Batman, which appears to make him angry, but Commissioner Gordon escorts him back outside. Rupert Thorne invites the Mayor to sit near him and we soon see that a huge chandelier is hanging above where the Mayor is seated, and one of the crystals contains a clear liquid. When the force of a sung high C causes the crystal to crack, the liquid leaks out, infecting the Mayor and his party who begin laughing hysterically—a typical Joker gag—and then abruptly die.

>The real twist in all this is that the next day Rupert Thorne is appointed the acting Mayor. Batman is blamed for the deaths as much as the Joker is and Thorne brands the Batman a criminal.

>This leads to a sequence in which Bruce questions his own effectiveness because now the image of Batman has been tarnished.

>Dick Grayson would be introduced late into the script, complete with his origin where Bruce and Silver attend the circus to see the Flying Graysons perform. They are killed by the Joker, setting up Dick's transformation into Robin.

>Dick Grayson is portrayed in his early to mid teens as opposed to his older depiction in Batman Forever.

>Unlike the comics, Robin would take a crusade against Batman, as the Batman imposter also appears at the scene and is ultimately blamed for his parent's demise. He later discovers the true culprit and Batman's true identity as he discovers the Batcave below Wayne Manor after his adoption.

>The climax of the movie would take place in a museum, where The Joker has kidnapped Silver St. Cloud. When Batman drops down through the skylight, his cape gets hooked on a giant prop. Robin would make his entrance and free Batman. While this is going on, Rupert Thorne would emerge and free Silver St. Cloud from where she had been bound to the giant typewriter ribbon.

>When Silver sees that Batman is about to be attacked from behind, she warns him but inadvertently calls him Bruce. Thorne realizes the significance of this and goes to shoot Batman, but one of the thugs crashes into Silver and she accidentally falls into the line of fire and takes the bullet meant for Batman.

>Batman goes after Thorne and uses a giant rubber band to spear Thorne with a giant thumbtack, which knocks Thorne into a giant pencil sharpener, which proceeds to grind Thorne up. After this, Batman returns to Silver to embrace her in her last moments.

>The script ends with Batman standing on the top of a building at sunrise while Robin comes up behind him.
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At one point they also wanted Marlon Wayans as Robin. Apparently a toy like that actually came out, though it could be just a coincidence / rumour based on a really shitty looking toy.

And of course there was the Nicholas Cage Superman pitch.
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BATMAN (1989)

>The Coen Brothers and David Cronenberg were initially considered to direct. Sam Raimi was also in the running, but was overlooked at the time for not being a big name.

>After the financial success of Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, Warner Brothers hired Tim Burton to direct the film. Feeling the script was too campy, Burton had his then-girlfriend Julie Hickson write a 30-page film treatment.

>Burton was never a comic book fan, but was impressed by the darker tone found in The Dark Knight Returns, which was very successful at the time and rekindled Warner's interest in a Batman movie adaptation.

>Warner enlisted Steve Englehart to write a new treatment in 1986. Like the Manciewitz script, it was highly based on Strange Apparitions and included many of the same characters. Warner Bros. was impressed, but Englehart felt there were too many characters. He removed The Penguin and Dick Grayson in his second treatment.

>Burton approached Sam Hamm, a comic book fan, to write the screenplay. Hamm decided against showing his origin at the beginning, opting instead to build up to it throughout the movie with flashbacks in a way that would "unlock the mystery" for the viewers.

>Burton was pressured by Warner Bros. to cast "an obvious action star" for the part of Batman/Bruce Wayne. Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, Jeff Bridges, Charlie Sheen, Tom Selleck, Harrison Ford, Alec Baldwin, Kurt Russell, Willem Dafoe, Pierce Brosnan, and Dennis Quaid were among those considered. Michael Keaton was ultimately cast, much to the dismay of the studio, Sam Hamm, and co-creator Bob Kane.

>Jack Nicholson was always the #1 pick for the Joker. Brad Dourif, Tim Curry, David Bowie, John Lithgow, and James Woods were also considered for the part. Nicholson initially declined, but reconsidered upon hearing the role had been offered to Robin Williams.

>Sean Young was originally cast as Vicki Vale, but injured herself in a horseback riding accident prior to filming and was replaced by Kim Basinger. Michelle Pfeiffer auditioned.

>Steve Martin was approached for Alexander Knox before the role was rewritten and reduced, and Robert Wuhl was cast.

>Don Johnson, Dale Midkiff, Martin Sheen, and William Peterson were considered for Harvey Dent before Billy Dee Williams was cast.

>Kiefer Sutherland was approached for Dick Grayson before the character was removed from the script.

>John Williams was intended to do the score before Danny Elfman was hired.

>Michael Jackson and George Michael were considered to perform songs for the movie before Prince made the deal.

>A draft written by Sam Hamm also has a large part of the film concentrating on Bruce traveling abroad and training with Henri Ducard, whom Bruce would later discover to be a criminal. This script was later overhauled into the version seen in the film, and Ducard was deleted.

>The hooker who smiles at the kid in the film's opening scene was originally intended to be 14 years old.

>"I'm Batman" was not part of the script. "I'm Vengeance" or "I am the Night" were in its place in various revisions.

>Bruce Wayne would have been depicted as an outgoing playboy, similar to the comic books.

>Michael Keaton has mentioned an extended take of Bruce Wayne in the Batcave. When Bruce removes his glasses and sits back in his chair, going into a trance-like state in order to transition into his Batman persona before heading to the chemical factory.

>The thugs in the factory scene would have fled in earlier revisions as opposed to ending up being killed outright in the final film.

>Joker wouldn't have been behind the murder of Batman's parents, and thus would have never said "Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"

>Burton stated in an interview that he had initially wanted Adam West and Julie Newmar, from the 1960s series, to play Thomas and Martha Wayne in the flashback. Audiences would recognize West and Newmar from the series and see them get shot, symbolizing the "death" of the old Batman. Script rewrites caused this to be scrapped, and West later said he wasn't even offered the role (and even if he was, he wouldn't have taken it)

>A scene with a younger James Gordon confronting Bruce at the scene of his parents murder was originally part of the movie, but was cut and ended up being shown as a photograph in a newspaper report from the time.

>One of the scenes cut from the final movie would have Vicki Vale attending a photoshoot with two of the models that are exposed to Joker's Smylex gas, witnessing them die.

>After Joker asked "Where does he get those wonderful toys?", he looked at his Goons and commanded "Don't just stand there, go and ask him!"

>Another scene cut from the movie would have had Vicki and Bruce go horseback riding.

>Rather than dropping his knife and fleeing, Bob the Goon originally attacked Batman with the knife. Actor Tom Wu appeared as a goon during this alternate scene and never appeared elsewhere in the film.

>After fleeing with Vicki Vale from the Flugelheim Museum, a girl got caught in the ensuing attack by Joker's Goons. Batman carried her to safety, and after setting her down the girl asked "Is it Halloween?" in reference to Batman's costume.

>In early drafts, the Flying Graysons would've been killed during the Joker's parade, and young Dick Grayson helps Batman defeat the Joker, setting up his transformation into Robin.

>Another scene removed from the final cut during the Joker's parade would have revealed that all of the Joker's money was fake, with his face on every bill. Earlier in the movie, Joker jokingly remarks he wanted his face on the one dollar bill.

>Early drafts featured a love triangle between Bruce Wayne, Vicki Vale and Alexander Knox that was scrapped when further revisions made Knox into a comedic character. At one point, both Vale and Knox were supposed to be killed by the Joker.

>In Sam Hamm's draft, the Joker takes down the Batwing in a Joker tank. The ending had the Joker attempting escape via helicopter, the helicopter rouses a swarm of bats that had been sleeping in the rafters, and the bats engulf the Joker, who falls to his death.

>Directly after the scene where Commissioner Gordon listens to the Joker's laughing box, there was a scene involving the unconscious Alexander Knox. In an attempt to evade the police Batman puts his cloak over an unconscious Alexander Knox as a distraction. Gordon and the police find him and pull the cape off to reveal Knox instead of Batman.

>Originally, the final scene of the movie when the Bat-Signal is unveiled, it was projected agains the cathedral, referencing the more realistic Batsignal in Frank Miller's 1986 Dark Knight series. Gordon and Dent have additional lines, threatening the corrupt cops in the police department.

>After the press conference, there is a alternate scene where Vicki goes over to Alfred's car and sees two children dressed as Batman while the Dark Knight himself looks down at them from a ledge.
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BATMAN II by Sam Hamm

>The original draft of Batman Returns was penned by Sam Hamm and was vastly different from what the final product became. A few key elements remained though, such as the script taking place during Christmas and featuring Penguin and Catwoman as the lead villains.

>Batman merchandise is everywhere in a nod to the real-life “Bat-mania” that followed the first film. We also meet a vigilante gang known as the Order of the Bat, who wear Batman t-shirts and don red berets (parodying the civilian group Guardian Angels, which patrolled New York subways at the time.)

>Vicki Vale would return, covering a story about a greedy developer who’s determined to tear down low-income and homeless communities in order to build a new high-rise.

>One of the homeless kids Vicki befriends would be Dick Grayson, a 13 year old vigilante and defender of the homeless. His backstory is not elaborated on, but he has a circus outfit in his possessions with an 'R' emblem on it. He's described as grimy-looking, with sunken eyes and wearing a tattered raincoat (presumably yellow).

>The Penguin was known as Mr. Boniface in this script, who's introduced inside a prison cell surrounded by birds. He's described as beak-nosed, epicene (meaning androgynous or asexual), and 'so fat his skin should burst'.

>Catwoman appears in the script after she's enlisted by the Penguin. In this version, she's a simple jewel thief who leads a double life as a curator of antiques for a local museum. She's described as looking vaguely Eurasian and her outfit is described as being similar to bondage gear, which is how she'd look in Batman Returns. Her origin story is not depicted in great length.

>Catwoman's introductory scene would have her murdering over a dozen criminals with a machine gun as she interrupts a massive drug exchange at the docks. This happens at least twice in the script.

>We learn Catwoman’s true goal wasn’t the drugs, but instead a raven statuette that belongs to millionaire industrialist -- and secret drug kingpin. -- Walter Barrett, who is returning to Gotham after a five-year stay in Europe. The script does move along at a steady clip, introducing the cast and getting to the plot early on. Penguin and Catwoman’s scheme has them stealing five raven statuettes from the Five Families of Gotham, the most elite of the elite, which of course includes Bruce Wayne and Randall Shaw, that greedy developer from earlier.

>A flashback to 1880 -- which Hamm intended to be highly stylized, with Burton likely in mind -- tells the story of the Gotham Treasury being looted, and five rich men who bail out the city in exchange for land rights, mineral rights and service contracts. The elites then grow even more powerful, while the city remains unaware they were behind the Treasury’s robbery. The Five Families have ceremonial ravens made; combined they reveal the location of the treasure they’d stolen.

>Penguin and Catwoman work to destroy Batman’s image and set the police against him, presumably to keep him busy while they target the five wealthy Gothamites. Bruce is contemporaries with the other four men; some he’s cordial with, others he despises. Selina declares Bruce her personal project, assuming she can seduce him into handing over his statuette. But Bruce is unaware he ever possessed a raven, as Alfred gave it to one of his father’s associates shortly after the Waynes’ murder.

>Regarding that murder, we discover a shocking retcon in the climax -- Bruce’s father knew of the Five Family’s secret and refused to keep quiet. Jack Napier was no random thug in an alley, he was a hired killer paid to silence the troublesome Waynes.

>The 1989 Batman received some criticism for being fairly incompetent. In one scene in this script, he fails to save any of the targeted men, as all are murdered by Penguin and Catwoman. There’s also a bit that has his cool new flying wings extract during an underground battle, causing him to get hooked on a passing subway train and dragged away.

>Dick Grayson is also present during this fight, as fate has enabled him to learn Bruce’s secret identity, and to briefly possess all of the ravens. He’s seriously injured by the villains, who steal the ravens and locate the map the five statuettes reveal. The gold and silver stolen in 1880 is today located at the same place Vicki is taking an injured Dick Grayson: Wayne Manor.

>Specifically, the treasure is hidden in the Batcave’s grotto, covered by a mountain of bats. The climactic battle has Alfred taking a bullet, a catfight between Vicki and Catwoman (set in the kitchen, no less), Penguin discovering Bruce Wayne’s secret and then falling to his death after Batman triggers an army of bats, forcing him to lose his balance and plunge into an endless pit.

>Catwoman, meanwhile, seriously injures herself after falling atop a glass chandelier. She attempts to slice her own throat, but Batman won’t allow it. Since Vicki prevented her from discovering the Batcave, she remains ignorant of Bruce’s secret, so there’s no convenient plot excuse for killing her off.

>The final scene has Dick and Alfred recuperating inside Wayne Manor, as “this decidedly eccentric family unit” celebrates Christmas. Bruce muses he’ll use the treasure to provide a home for those displaced by Shaw’s development. Then in the closing moment, Bruce gives Vicki her Christmas present: a diamond engagement ring.
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BATMAN RETURNS (1992)

>Dissatisfied with the Hamm script, Burton selected Daniel Waters to write a completely new story and characterizations. Burton was impressed with Waters' work on Heathers; whom originally brought aboard on a sequel to Beetlejuice.

>Dustin Hoffman, Christopher Lloyd, Bob Hoskins and John Candy were considered for the Penguin before Danny DeVito was cast. The Penguin was briefly considered to be thin looking, like the one described in the 1980's Batman script by Tom Manciewitz.

>Annette Benning was originally cast as Catwoman, but dropped out due to her pregnancy. Madonna, Cher, Bridget Fonda, Raquel Welch, Lorraine Bracco, Ellen Barkin, Jennifer Beals, Brooke Shields, Susan Sarandon, Jodie Foster, Geena Davis, Jennifer Jason Leight, Demi Moore and Nicole Kidman were considered for the role before Michelle Pfeiffer was cast. Pfeiffer had previously impressed Burton when she auditioned for Vicki Vale in BATMAN.

>Sean Young believed she was entitled to the role of Catwoman and began stalking Burton, even breaking into the Warner Bros loft in a homemade Catwoman costume and forcing Burton to hide in his office until security escorted her out.

>Singer David Bowie, who had been previously considered to play the Joker in Batman (1989), was the first choice for the part of Max Shreck before Christopher Walken was cast. Bowie turned down the role in favor of one in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992).

>Burgess Meredith, who played the Penguin on the Batman (1966) TV series, was asked to play the Penguin's father in the opening of the film but illness prevented him from it.

>Contrary to popular belief, Harvey Dent was never planned to be a major character in any stage of the movie. Daniel Waters considered having him appear in a cameo where he'd flip a coin and have it land on the good side, but was otherwise never mentioned in any of his script drafts.

>An earlier script draft revealed Max Shreck to be Penguin's older brother, the "golden boy" of the Cobblepot family, whereas the Penguin was the deformed outsider. He was supposedly ashamed of his father, after he threw his baby brother into the sewer, and he emancipated himself from the Cobblepot family as soon as he became of age.

>Marlon Wayans was originally cast as Dick Grayson. He would be a street-smart auto mechanic who helps Batman remove the Penguin's remote control device from the Batmobile. Dick's parents were murdered when he was a child, and he hates criminals, even asking why Batman avoids killing them. Batman later recruits him to infiltrate the Penguin's underground lair and jam the signal that would detonate the bombs meant to destroy Gotham City. Sensing Dick's potential and how his rage might lead him astray, Batman recruits him as his new partner, Robin. Tim Burton and Daniel Waters ultimately decided the film was too crowded, and cut the character entirely.

>In Daniel Waters' original treatment, the initial attack on Gotham Plaza is a lot more elaborate, with the thugs invading before the tree-lighting ceremony begins and infiltrating Max Shreck's penthouse office, taking Max, Chip, the Mayor, and Selina hostage. Batman has to fight his way up to the penthouse level to save them, in the process leaving the Batmobile behind in an alley - but forgetting to put the shields up on the car. Even more of the Penguin's thugs then approach the exposed automobile and take photographs of it (thus providing an explanation as to how The Penguin got the blueprints to the Batmobile). The novelization indicates the Penguin got the plans from a disgruntled engineer who helped design it.

>The original script had many, many more members of the Red Triangle Gang. Notable members of the circus in the original script included a ringmaster with poison-tipped gauntlets, a duo with razor sharp metal blades encrusted into their heads like mohawks, a teenage clown with a neon medallion that read "CIRKUS" who was the original stun gun clown, and a group of clowns dressed like firefighters who operate a fire-engine that happed to shoot napalm (in a possible dark twist on the clown scene from Dumbo).

>After Selina shocks the clown with his stun gun, she exclaims "Electroshock therapy, what a bargain!"

>When Bruce arrives at Shreck's office, the broken window he pushed Selina out of is discussed. Shreck suggests the circus gang threw a brick through the window after hours, but Bruce points out there is no broken glass on the floor.

>In the original script, the first shot after the opening credits was a close-up of a Bat logo complete with heroic music sting. The logo would then be hit by snowballs and we'd pan out to reveal it's actually the sign of an in-universe Batman shop, complete with all the Bat merch you could ever want, such as figures, an arcade cabinet and lunchboxes. The costumed firebreathing thug seen in the movie would then torch the establishment. In the finished cut, he sets fire to a standard toy shop instead.

>Further scenes with the baby Penguin shown in the flashbacks before the opening credits were filmed but never made it into the final cut of the movie.

>Knox from the first movie was originally intended to be brought back and killed off, being crucified to the Batsignal.

>Originally Catwoman's fate was left more ambiguous, some drafts flat out had her die with Shreck. A dialogue between the Mayor and Commissioner Gordon about misjudging Batman was shown before panning up to the Batsiginal and the city lights blinking on and off from Shreck's death at the generator. At the last second the studio wanted the final shot to confirm to the audience that Catwoman had survived.
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BATMAN FOREVER (1995)

>WB was disappointed by BATMAN RETURNS' box office and decided to make the franchise more family-friendly after controversy arose following the movie's McDonalds marketing campaign, which led to many parents boycotting the movie due to it's graphic and grotesque imagery and characterizations. Burton disagreed with their new creative direction and declined to return. Sam Raimi was approached to replace him before Joel Schumacher was hired in the spring of 1993.

>Tim Burton's plans for a third Batman movie are not widely known and are mostly subject to rumors. However, it is likely that had he stayed on, Robin would have been introduced and The Riddler would have been a central antagonist as the studios had insisted. According to Janet Scott Batchler, Burton contributed no ideas to the movie and his only contributions were choosing Joel Schumacher to be director and the Batchlers to be the writers.

>Michael Keaton initially stayed on, but left late into pre-production around mid 1994, being dissatisfied with the new creative direction. Val Kilmer was cast abruptly in his place, but Daniel Day-Lewis, Alec Baldwin, William Baldwin, Kurt Russell, Johnny Depp, Ralph Fiennes and Ethan Hawke were also approached.

>Leonardo DiCaprio, Mark Wahlberg, Matt Damon, Jude Law, Ewan McGregor, Toby Stephens Ben Affleck, Danny Dyer, Corey Haim, Milo Ventimiglia, and Scott Speedman auditioned for Robin before Chris O'Donnell was cast.

>Robin Williams was approached for the Riddler, but declined, still bitter over being used as "bait" to lure Jack Nicholson into the role of the Joker, and Jim Carrey was cast. Steve Martin was approached for the Riddler as well, but turned down the offer due to his reluctance to make movies after the death of his close friend, John Candy, and his divorce from his wife, Victoria Tennant. Mickey Dolenz and Matthew Broderick were considered for the part. Michael Jackson auditioned for the role, but ended up being ignored.

>Mel Gibson, Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Nicholas Cage, and Willem Dafoe were considered for Two-Face before Tommy Lee Jones.

>Rene Russo was originally cast as Chase Meridian, but was replaced because producers felt she was too old for Kilmer. Linda Hamilton, Jeanne Tripplehorn, Sandra Bullock and Robin Wright were considered before Nicole Kidman was cast.


>Schumacher decided not to invite Marlon Wayans and Billy Dee Williams, who were originally slated to play Robin and Two-Face, and WB had to compensate them for the contract breach.

>Schumacher wanted to add Poison Ivy to the script, and originally envisioned Kidman to play her, but the studio argued against three villains in one movie, and Kidman was ultimately cast as Chase Meridian.

>Schumacher wanted to adapt Frank Miller's "Batman: Year One", but WB declined in favor of a sequel with an established Batman. Schumacher added several flashback sequences exploring Batman's past, but most of them were cut.

>In early drafts, The Riddler would be named Lyle Heckendorf, with purple hair shaved into a question mark and a pet rat at his side. NygmaTech would instead be named HeckTech. His comics name would be referenced in an early script where Bruce Wayne gets a letter from the pseudonym of "E. Nygma". A scene in the early drafts that didn't make it into the final film featured Lyle stalking Bruce at the circus and stealing the clothes of a performing circus leprechaun. The leprechaun suit then formed the basis for the Riddler outfit.

>A scene that featured Two-Face escaping Arkham originally opened the movie. A guard enters the empty cell and finds the words "The Bat Must Die" illuminated by lightning on the wall. Followed by the opening titles, which focuses on the mind, referring to Batman and Riddler. Rene Auberjonois had more scenes filmed here, playing Doctor Burton but his role was reduced to a cameo in the final film. This was supposed to begin the picture but producers decided this was far too dark for a family audience. As this was cut, it made the editing of the final film somewhat muddled to the fans of the original script as later scenes were re-arranged. This scene appears in a rough edit on the Special Edition DVD. Segments of the scene also appears on the U2 music video "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me."

>In early scripts, Bruce's meeting with Edward would have taken place before the Two-Face hostage situation.

>In early scripts, Sugar and Spice were known as Leather and Lace.

>In early scripts, Chase using the Batsignal would have taken place after Two-Face's attack on the circus.

>One scene featured an extended scene of a confrontation between Batman and Two-Face in the helicopter. This scene appears in a rough edit on the Special Edition DVD. Two-Face would accuse Batman of being a killer like him, which would begin a mini character arc of sorts as Batman would later encourage Robin not to kill his enemies.

>Rather than giving Dick a telling off back at the cave Batman berates him immediately after getting rescued. Commissioner Gordon and a host of reporters turn up not long after and Batman is forced to explain that the costumed boy is his new partner Robin.

>There's a long series of scenes with Bruce and Dick training while Bruce explains the rules of being his crime fighting partner.



>One scene featured a local Gotham talk show with Chase Meridian as a guest, talking about Batman.

>The scene at the casino robbery where the Riddler fails at punching the security guard originally added the Riddler proceeding to beat the man with his cane.

>One sequence came directly after the casino robbery, where Batman follows a robbery signal on a tracking device in the Batmobile. He shows up at the crime scene and finds he is at the wrong place (a beauty salon), in which a room full of girls laugh at him. The Riddler had been throwing Batman off the track by messing with the Batmobile's tracking device. This would explain why in the theatrical version Batman seems to give Riddler and Two-Face moments of free rein over the city. This scene appears in a rough edit on the Special Edition DVD.

>One scene featured a little conversation with Dick and Bruce in the gym of the manor. This scene appears in a rough edit on the Special Edition DVD.

>One scene showed the development of the NygmaTech building on Claw Island, funded by the Riddler and Two-Face's robberies. This features deleted scenes of Nygma visiting the site and the box press conference. The construction of NygmaTech was more in-depth. There were scenes shot that appear in publicity stills of Edward Nygma with a hard hat helping with the construction of his headquarters on Claw Island. This scene is shown in a sticker album published by Merlin Collections but not in the final film or on the Special Edition DVD.

>There was originally a scene of Alfred and Bruce examining the Nygma Tech "Box". This scene is shown in a photo in the commentary of Joel Schumacher and Val Kilmer.

>One deleted scene featured a philosophical conversation between Two-Face, Riddler, Sugar, and Spice as they take hits from the box. Sugar and Spice, played by Drew Barrymore and Debi Mazar, try out the Riddler's device during the montage when it goes on sale. They are seated with the Riddler and Two-Face on the couch where Chase is handcuffed later in the film. This scene appears in the comic adaptation but not in the final film.

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BATMAN FOREVER (1995)

>Originally, Batman was to enter a holographic room that makes him witness his parents getting shot, as well as holograms of The Joker, The Penguin, and Catwoman.

>An extended scene established Bruce in the Batcave shortly after having discussed with Dick then that this would have saved his life after the battle with Two-Face in the subway system under construction. In this scene he is appreciated as the GNN news (Bruce watching in the Batcomputer) attacking Batman and Two-Face after the battle in the subway and after that Bruce talking to Alfred turns into the dilemma of continuing to be Batman and try a normal life with Chase. This would explain why in the theatrical version Bruce turns off all the systems and everything else in the Batcave telling Dick he's gives up being Batman. This scene appears in a rough form on the Special Edition DVD.

>The Wayne Manor raid sequence was longer, featuring Bruce and Chase fighting Two-Face and his thugs.

>The scene where the Riddler has Chase chained up on a couch originally ended with him knocking her out by injecting her with a type of sleeping drug. He then says, "Nap time, gorgeous" to Chase.

>One of the most important deleted scenes involved further backstory to the film which many people, including screenwriter Akiva Goldsman, which is on the DVD, shows Bruce waking up from being shot by Two-Face with temporary memory loss. Bruce remembers everything except being Batman. After Alfred shows him the Batcave which has been destroyed by the Riddler. They stand on the platform where the Batmobile was and Alfred says "Funny they did not know about the cave beneath the cave". The platform then rotates downward to another level where the sonar-modification equipment is kept, from the special Batsuit to the hi-tech weaponry, Bruce comes upon a section of the cave where he first encountered the bat that inspired his alter ego (which is shown earlier in the movie when he talks to Chase). This deleted scene kept in line with the earlier storyline of Thomas Wayne's diary, which Bruce finds in the cave. The recurring nightmares of his parents' deaths throughout the movie are given closer inspection when he reads the diary. He had believed his parents would not have died if he hadn't made them go to the movies, but his father's diary reveals that his parents had been planning to go to the movies anyway, prompting Bruce to say through tears, "Not my fault...". He sees the bat again in this scene, and the size of it made many fans who saw the screenshot think it was Man-Bat. It was confirmed that this was not and was never intended to be Man-Bat. The bat appears and Bruce raises his arms and the shot shows that they are one. Bruce now remembers who he is and goes with Alfred to solve the riddles left throughout the film. Akiva admitted the scene was very theatrical on the Special Edition DVD and felt the scene would have made a difference to the final cut. The bat was designed and created by Rick Baker, who was in charge of the make-up of Two-Face, played by Tommy Lee Jones. This scene appears in a rough form on the Special Edition DVD.

>The fight scene between Two-Face and Robin on Claw Island was originally longer.

>When Two Face has Robin, Batman and Chase cornered Batman doesn't throw extra coins to confuse Two Face. He just tells Two Face to use his coin and he ends up slipping off the steel beam.

>Edward Nygma tests his prototype box on his landlady Mrs Lucertola.

>The original ending paid homage to the first film. When Alfred drives Dr. Chase Meridian back to Gotham she asks him "Does it ever end, Alfred?" Alfred replies, "No, Dr. Meridian, not in this lifetime...". The Batsignal shines on the night sky and Batman and Robin are standing on a giant gargoyle overlooking the city. This scene, with Kilmer and O'Donnell, was shot in front of a blue screen.

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BATMAN AND ROBIN (1997)

>Val Kilmer dropped out of the movie due to his disagreements with Schumacher, and William Baldwin and David Duchovny were considered for Batman before George Clooney was cast.

>Nicole Kidman was slated to play Poison Ivy in the previous film. While the character appeared in Batman & Robin, she was played by Uma Thurman instead. Julia Roberts, Sharon Stone, and Demi Moore were all rumored to be in the running for Poison Ivy

>Patrick Stewart, Ed Harris. Sylvester Stallone, Anthony Hopkins and Hulk Hogan were considered for Mr. Freeze. Schumacher disliked Freeze's comics characterization as a frail old man and believed he should be "chiseled like an ice sculpture", and thus Arnold Schwarzenegger was chosen to play Mr. Freeze. Arnold stated that the outfit was suffocating and shortly after finishing the film he was forced to undergo heart surgery. Still, he remarks that he thought Freeze was a good character and eventually took the armor with him after shooting was over.

>Kane Hodder was Joel Schumacher's first choice for Bane, until he chose Jeep Swenson for his height at 6'4

>In earlier drafts, Barbara wasn't actually Alfred's niece but the daughter of an old friend of his that came to see him as her "uncle". This was kept for the comic adaptation. Additionally, Barbara's Batgirl costume was to also have a full-head cowl, but Schumacher didn't like the look of it after a costume test and wanted Alicia Silverstone's hair to flow freely. Thus, the domino mask was used, though Silverstone does use a cowl as Batgirl in one scene.

>Poison Ivy's costume was originally a lot pointier.

>There is one scene where Alfred tells Bruce and Dick about his relationship with Margaret Clark, Barbara Wilson's mother. Due to this scene being cut, her identity and name being Alfred's laptop password that Barbara guesses is confusing to the audience.

>Originally at the Gotham Observatory party Bruce was enchanted by Ivy's pheromones along with Gordon. Bruce attempts to pick up Isley in front of Julie and the press, and she gives an ultimatum to choose between the two of them. After Bruce chooses Isley, Julie calls it quits on their relationship and walks out, stunning the crowd.

>In early drafts, Bruce Wayne's girlfriend, Julie Madison, played by Elle McPherson, had a larger role, culminating with Poison Ivy fatally stabbing her. The idea was scrapped for being too dark for a kid-oriented movie, and most of Madison's scenes were cut in further rewrites.

>In early drafts, Poison Ivy seduces Robin in her supervillain persona while also trying to entice Bruce Wayne as Pamela Isley, and Bruce's discovery that they're one and the same is what convinces Robin that they're being manipulated by Ivy. The concept was scrapped in further rewrites.

>Coolio's cameo in the movie was intended at one point to be a portrayal of Jonathan Crane, who would transform into the Scarecrow in a sequel.
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BATMAN UNCHAINED by Mark Protosevich

>BATMAN UNCHAINED is the unproduced sequel to 1997’s BATMAN & ROBIN. The script featured Batman fighting crime alone once again after Robin leaves Gotham due to disagreements about Batman’s methods and Batgirl returns to England to complete her studies. Meanwhile, biochemist Jonathan Crane, who wants revenge on Bruce Wayne for cutting his research funds, joins forces with toymaker Harley Quinn, who wants revenge on Batman for the death of her father, the Joker, and they expose Batman to the fear toxin and lock him up at Arkham Asylum.

>At Arkham, Batman is put on trial by hallucinations of his past enemies – the Joker, the Penguin, Catwoman, Two-Face and the Riddler – but ultimately conquers his fears and manages to escape. He then makes amends with Robin and they join forces to prevent Crane, now calling himself “Scarecrow”, from spreading the fear toxin through Gotham. Harley, who doesn’t want to hurt innocents, betrays Crane and helps the heroes stop him. Crane and Harley are arrested, and Batman leaves Robin – now calling himself “Nightwing” – to protect Gotham while he goes on a spiritual journey to the Middle East.

>After defeating his enemies and his demons, Bruce makes a trip to Bali and enters a cave full of bats, with them flying around him, as a proof for having conquered his fears

>Joel Schumacher was set to direct and was eager to make a “darker, emotionally complex” movie to make up for BATMAN & ROBIN. Chris O’Donnell, Michael Gough and Pat Hingle were set to return as Robin, Alfred and Commissioner Gordon. George Clooney declined to return as Batman, and Ralph Fiennes was eyed to replace him. Schumacher approached Nicolas Cage, Jeff Goldblum, Steve Buscemi, Howard Stern, and Coolio for Scarecrow and Madonna and Courtney Love for Harley Quinn, and wanted to bring back Jack Nicholson, Danny De Vito, Michelle Pfeiffer, Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey for special appearances as the Joker, the Penguin, Catwoman, Two-Face and the Riddler, but the project was scrapped after the critical and commercial failure of BATMAN & ROBIN.
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BATMAN DARKNIGHT by Lee Shapiro and Stephen Wise

>Lee Shapiro and Stephen Wise submitted a spec script called "Batman: DarKnight". In it, Bruce Wayne has abandoned the identity of Batman, while Dick Grayson attends Gotham University, where he meets Psychology teacher Dr. Jonathan Crane and Biology teacher Dr. Kirk Langstrom. Crane is the head psychologist at Arkham Asylum, and creates a fear toxin, using the inmates and his students as test subjects. Once Langstrom finds out about this, he confronts Crane, who throws him against a series of chemical products, including an experimental formula based on DNA of bats that Langstrom had developed to cure genetic deafness.

>The chemicals turns Langstrom into the murderous vampire Man-Bat. Shortly afterwards, Crane's criminal activities are exposed and he is fired. Infuriated, Crane adopts the identity of the Scarecrow and controls Man-Bat through the fear toxin, forcing him to eliminate Crane's superiors who wronged him, while Crane descends into madness and decides to spread the fear toxin through Gotham.

>Batman is blamed by the murders commited by Man-Bat and Bruce Wayne returns to his old identity to prove his innocence and cure Langstrom, who wants to return to his wife, Francine, and at the same time, stop Crane. The Script also featured subplot about Batman being framed for the murder of Commissioner Gordon, who is late revealed to be alive; and exposure to the Fear Toxin slowly unlocking suppressed memories of Crane's traumatic childhood.
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You certainly like your Batman movie trivia.