/mtv/ - Music, Television & Film

I legitimately enjoy Arrow. It's a competent action show that has a breakneck pace when it comes to b-plots. So I'll give Flash a shot.

The problem with Gotham is that setting it before Batman means it's just a cop show with forshadowing which means it drowns to death in the ocean of existing cop shows with better gimmicks.

WAIT. I've finally watched the Gotham trailer. Donal Logue is Harvey Bullock? REALLY? Okay, so I'll watch the pilot.

I have no idea how Hellblazer will end up. Suprised it's NBC. Without the rotating creative teams and ideas that come with comics though, I could see how it can get repetitive.

Trailer theme blows but that score has the right idea!

Tom Hiddleston rumored to play the Joker in Batman v Superman. Also, Emily Blunt as Catwoman.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/man-steel-2-casting-avengers-villain-tom-hiddleston-joker-emily-blunt-catwoman-1451169

>>40479
Thinking about it Krypton overall served as a place of mystical wonder to both the audience and to Clark. As both only seeing places in glimmers and only stories. Film kinda harms that a bit sticking around there as much as it does.

Hoping that this means that other DC magic characters appear, like Zatanna and Etrigan or something.

Maybe the Endless as time goes on, but it awaits to be seen how good the show is first.

The thing about Gotham is that the main cast is basically like, a dream cast for a cop show.

But then the rest of the show is just "Hey, so this normal stupid guy will be interesting in ten years"

>>40512
Good to hear but its got a massive setup to pull together

Perhaps the best write-up I've seen of Man of Steel.

http://thedissolve.com/features/one-year-later/632-one-year-later-man-of-steel/

>>40547
I get that, feel that most of that will be compounded in the next Movie. Superman is the Leagues standard by which they judge their own actions and I don't know if the movie can set that up.

Man of Steel - The Final Verdict

A long defense of Man of Steel.

>>40550

I straight-up couldn't keep watching after the Johnathan Kent section. What a load of horseshit.

>>40558

That's a cosplay by cosplayer Meagan Marie and not Gal Gadot's movie costume. Photos of that have neither been leaked or released as of yet. The only leak we have from set that's of her is her in a blue dress.

>>40566
Thats the last time I trust http://daily-superheroes.tumblr.com/ for news!
>>40563
Yeah thats what made me go from "a new Superman movie? Meh, I want more GL!" to "oh fuck that movie!"

Gal Gadot sounds itself like a superhero kind of name.

>>40585
Largely okay with it

>>40594
Carry with the idea that everyone was affected by the accelerator. Sue has become unstuck from this plane and only Ralph can see her. And he has started to develop his elongated man powers.

"How will I get back, Ralph?""I smell a mystery."

The Good. The Evil. The Beginning. | GOTHAM

>>40617
Hinting at Joker every single episode. Easily the worst possible idea you could give a show.

>>40618

Especially one premised on the idea of ‘a Batman show without Batman’.

Doesn't matter, Gotham is right on the edge of science fiction, so Fox will cancel it before the first season ends.

>>40623
Sad but true, won't have enough of that X-files smell to save it. Hate that you have to have that mindset going into anything airing on Fox.

>>40642
I don't understand why Fox even greenlights sci-fi shows anymore.
I don't understand why anyone pitches sci-fi shows to Fox anymore.

"Oh, my shit will be the best shit, they certainly won't fuck with the order of episodes, random timeslots, and cancel it half way through the first season citing low viewership! No sir!"

Maybe Fox is just afraid that if other networks get it and let it run properly, it will turn into a huge hit and eat their other bullshit shows?

>>40648
Most often there are internal politics involved that we're not seeing. It's not so much "Fox" that greenlights something or "Fox" that cancels them. There are specific executives who are in charge of scheduling, and there's this weird thing where if a show gets greenlit by one executive, that executive gets the credit even if they're fired or promoted out of the role or something--but the current exec usually gets the blame if a show that's on now doesn't do well.

So the executive in charge of scheduling will be both more likely to cut a show before it can go bad and make them look bad in the process, and also be more likely to cut a show that was greenlit by a predecessor even if it looks like it might be successful. Many of the sci-fi shows that they've cancelled have been greenlit by one exec who leaves before it makes it to air, and then cancelled by their successors.

The tl;dr version is that sometimes networks really *are* intentionally sabotaging shows. And other times the shows are just dealt a bad hand because the person who "got it" is already gone by the time they make it to air.

None of this excuses any of this behavior--it's still absolutely retarded. But it might put some perspective on why they greenlight them in the first place only to cancel them so quickly.

>>40651
Which brings me back to my one of my questions: Why does anyone bother pitching sci-fi to Fox anymore?

>>40653

That behavior isn't really exclusive to Fox, you know. I think Fox just happens to cycle through executives at a faster pace than the Big Three Networks.

Good news for everyone fearing David Goyer would write every DC film.

>I’m hearing that after he absolutely crushed the script on that film, Oscar-winning Argo scribe Chris Terrio is being courted by the studio to come aboard and script its Justice League movie. That superhero mash-up will be DC Comics‘ answer to Marvel’s Avengers juggernaut. Not that well known prior to Argo, Terrio has fast become an A-list scribe, and a favorite of writer-directors. He’s got Bunker Hill with Ben Affleck, and The Foreigner, among several big pics. Terrio’s repped by WME.

http://www.deadline.com/2014/07/comic-con-batman-v-superman-chris-terrio-justice-league/

Thank you, Affleck.

>>40676

Based Batfleck saving DC’s collective asses.

>>40680

I know it's a promo poster and it's been 'shopped every which way but loose, but damn, that actually looks good.

>>40680
>shitty dark coffee fillter making it look bleak as fuck

Yea, its legit.

Watch it before it's gone.

//youtube.com/watch?v=cOd8byxdjwQ

>>40686
Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Glowing Eyes.

>>40687
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/3ye2pt0s1bl7mnb/batman-v-superman-trailer-comic-con2.mp4

>>40691
That makes some sense. Some stories have the Wayne family having a history of being the caretakers of the city working to heal its wounds no matter what their occupation. Establish what Bruce means by Gotham being his city.

>>40701


It's pretty simple. The graph is about mentions in social media.

The BvS teaser was leaked online, and thus people have something to tweet about, even if it is just OMG BATMAN WAS LIKE HEY YOU UP THERE AND SUPERMAN WAS TOTES PISSED OFF

The AoU footage wasn't leaked, and thus there isn't really much for people to gush over.

>>40702

And from what I hear, the Mad Max trailer blew away everyone far more than Avengers 2 or BvSDoJ or even that Deadpool test footage did.

It's pretty odd that nothing has leaked from the Avengers 2 footage screening, besides that guy who recorded some audio. Did Marvel hire better security than DC or what?

ALS Ice Bucket Challenge - Amy.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137074-warner-bros-no-jokes-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice
And yet we are lol'ing.

>>40926
ohhh that suit is nice and bright, shame the move won't be.

>>40941

Quoting Badass Digest here:

>[DC doesn't] want their heroes being funny. They don't want to open their heroes to ridicule. They want to maintain the opposite tone of Marvel, which is to present these characters and their adventures as Important, having Mythic Resonance. They're bringing the DC characters back to their Silver Age roots, which is making them essentially a pantheon of Gods. It was in reaction to this that Marvel created their feet-of-clay characters, and it was that humanity - which included humor - that made the Marvel characters so enormously popular. […] Warner Bros, lacking a central Kevin Feige type, has no idea how to make these films work. And coming while Guardians of the Galaxy is being very funny and very successful for Marvel, news of this mandate must make fans wary.

>>40943
Yea that was the big problem people had with MoS. More Alien God than Dude from Kansas that wanted to do the right thing. That is also a huge bit of irony in making them not funny and human makes them ridiculed even further than they otherwise would be.

http://io9.com/batman-v-superman-may-be-more-insanely-depressing-than-1628103332

Oh boy.

I am not sure why would Seth Rogen know anything about the internal rules of the production teams on WB working on the superhero flicks. Unless he was somehow involved in one of those, I have no idea.

>>40956
Perhaps from his work on the Preacher TV show? Or, maybe he just knows it's obivous B.S. Wouldn't be the first false rumor about Batman vs. Superman we've heard before.

>>40955
I actually don't mind this. What bothered me about Man of Steel's ending was that after establishing the alien attack on Metropolis as another 9/11, everything is just hunky dory the next day, with Superman as the big hero, despite actually causing some of that mindless destruction. (But he saved Lois! ...and no one else). So, if this all leads to a more responsible Superman, than I'm all for it.

>>40955
Oh~ Me like!

Now we just need the last survivor of Zods forces to be Supergirl and we will be all set for a grimmer Superman setting.
(My idea for her is that she was made to test the cloning tanks for the step two/three of the colonisation plan, better safe then sorry right Zod?)

>>40963
Kara sorta already exists in the movieverse, Goyer wrote a prequel comic to MoS, set several thousands of years before the movie. Krytpon was starting their colonization efforts , and for (dumb) plot reasons she ends up crash landing on earth. The shit that Clark found buried in ice? That was hers.

Of course, this is "canon" only on a very shaky sense, they could simply ignore the comic altogether. Also, IIRC, that comic was what made some people think that the Amazons would be of Kryptonian origin.

>>40966
Yes, it's a photoshopped penis. The original pic had a bulge, but nothing like that.

>In what is believed to be the first SVOD deal for a broadcast series made before its premiere, Netflix has reached an agreement with Warner Bros. Worldwide Television Distribution for the upcoming Fox drama series Gotham. Under the pact, Netflix will become the exclusive subscription video on demand home of the Warner Bros. TV-produced Batman prequel in the U.S. as well as in each of the territories in which the streaming network operates and select other territories in which it plans to launch services. Each season of the series will be available to Netflix members following their broadcast run. In the U.S. that is expected to be in September 2015, coinciding with the potential Season 2 premiere. Noone is discussing figures, but I hear the deal is worth about $1.75 million an episode.

http://deadline.com/2014/09/gotham-netflix-deal-826991/

The pilot must have been damn good, if Netflix wanted to get its hands on the series right away.

I wonder if this is going to be a common thing with online video services fighting for TV rights, before the shows even airs.

>>40974
Good News, hope it wont die like most Fox series now

Fun confirmed.

>The Shazam project will be produced by New Line, a subsidiary of Warner Bros. proper, and when New Line president Toby Emmerich gets on the phone to EW, he makes it clear that the film will be a different kind of superhero movie. “It feels to me like Shazam will have a tone unto itself,” he explains. “It’s a DC comic, but it’s not a Justice League character, and it’s not a Marvel comic. The tone and the feeling of the movie will be different from the other range of comic book movies.”

>The usual superhero-movie cone of silence prevents Emmerich from addressing any of the plot elements of Shazam directly. But when asked where the movie would fall on the superhero-movie spectrum (from dark and gritty to light and peppy), Emmerich does allow that the movie “will have a sense of fun and a sense of humor. But the stakes have to be real.”

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/09/03/shazam-movie-rock-fun/

>>40978
>will have a sense of fun and a sense of humor. But the stakes have to be real
Soooooo Batman & Robin.

>>40979
That's a worst case scenario. The thing is, what he described is like half of the action movies ever made, and especially pretty much every Marvel-produced Superhero movie, which he specifically said it wouldn't be like, so it's not a very helpful thing to say.

>>40980
Personal opinion, but recent Marvel movies like Thor 2 try hard to be funny (and failing at it), at the cost of drama. Guardians of the Galaxy is really more of a comedy film. The Winter Soldier, however, had a good balance of comedy and drama.

So, I guess you can take the comment as Shazam not being too grimdark (Man of Steel), but not too silly either (GOTG).

>>40979
Batman & Robing had no sense of fun

Unless you think LOLSORANDUM is fun

>>40986
I do and like that movie.
Its still shit doe.

>>40985
>Guardians of the Galaxy is really more of a comedy film.
Yes, but one where the stakes are real. That was my point.

>>40986
Batman & Robin was fun, but for all the wrong reasons.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55398

Supergirl confirmed hope its on CW so we can get more world building.

//youtube.com/watch?v=hkxd9_EHos0

Totally forgot about this. Guess the idea was axed because of CGI cost?

>>41011
that Smallville was winding down and nobody really had an interest in Suoerhero stuff of that type. Course that was before Marvel stormed the box office and we had the current stable of DC stuff coming to TV. It could have a chance now i think. Heck they are working on stuff for The Atom too.

>>41014
I hope that thing fires rubber bullets, honest>>41014
.

>>41012
I hope it's the Ryan Choi incarnation. He's pretty awesome plus he's a great Asian superhero without being token or needing to racelift a preestablished character. Dumb enough that Big Hero 6 did it, even with the change in setting San Francisco has plenty enough Japanese Americans that keeping everyone the same race wouldn't have been unrealistic aside from a few name changes and hell would've made even more sense with some if them being ABJ running on some Hollywood idea of their cultural heritage.

>>41016
Its Ray Palmer to start, Brandon Routh is signed up for Arrow being introduced as him.

Another Teen Titans show is on the way, but this time it's live action.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/09/11/titans-tv-series-based-on-dc-comic-may-come-to-tnt/

Forgot TNT existed. Anyway, looks like WB/DC is really on the ball with these comic book shows. Now, if they can find a better home for their animated programs--because Cartoon Network stopped caring long ago--they'll be set.

>>41020
>Forgot TNT existed.
The Law & Order channel? So did I.

>>41020
Hub is about the only place I could think. Margret may be retiring for health reasons but the ones there are refugees from Nick and such that left because higher ups were running the place into the ground.

>>41022
I was actually thinking of moving to Netflix. Like what Marvel will be doing for its upcoming live action shows.

>>41025
That might not be a bad idea, depending on how the big Dreamworks deal pans out for Netlfix. They've already used Titmouse and now Mir will be doing some of their shows. Mir Animated DC stuff sounds good. Course some of that probably with hinge on the current DC Digital thing going well. Has there been any more on Powers?

>>41021
Last show I watched from them was Leverage. Though they apparently have a solid stable of buddy crime dramas
right now.

The pilots keep on coming.

http://deadline.com/2014/09/lucifer-show-pilot-dc-comics-fox-834452/

>As Fox feted the premiere of its new series Gotham last night in New York, the network is betting on another drama based on a DC character from a top series creator. Fox has given a put pilot commitment to Lucifer, from Californication creator/executive producer Tom Kapinos and DC Comics sibling Warner Bros TV, which is behind all DC-themed TV projects.

...

>WBTV has been rapidly expanding its live-action DC Comics TV universe. This fall, it is going from one to four primetime series, returning Arrow and freshmen The Flash, Gotham and Constantine. In addition to Lucifer, it is prepping another major broadcast franchise with Supergirl, from Greg Berlanti and Ali Adler, and has Titans nearing a pilot green light at TNT.

Where will Supergirl go? Split on if I'd like to see her Interact with Flash and Ollie or the Titans.

>>41039
>Where will Supergirl go?

CBS.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09/19/cbs-orders-supergirl-series

>Once the only network staying out of the whole new massive comic book TV show arena, CBS is going all in with a new Supergirl show - which they've given an official series commitment to, bypassing both the "in development" and "pilot" stage.

>Supergirl, a new one hour drama, will come to us from Berlanti Productions (both Arrow and The Flash on The CW) in association with Warner Bros. Television. Greg Berlanti and Ali Adler (Chuck, No Ordinary Family) will serve as writers, while also serving as EPs alongside Sarah Schechter.

>>41043
It'll go to CW eventually I would wager. Its just too different from the rest of the CBS programming for the main network channel. But its nice for it to get a start.

While I like seeing the alternate takes and mass creation of series based on comic book characters, I'm worried it's going to lead to burn out and networks picking up characters that could make for a great series but giving them a shit treatment just to say "we have a superhero show, too!"

It's also annoying with DC because having all of these shows on different stations (CBS, CW, FOX) means there's not only no practical possibility of cross-overs between many of them, but each station may introduce their version of a character that has a series on another station. Marvel has their Ciniverse, which includes Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and DC could have done a New New New52 kind of thing by creating a Televerse, but I don't think they're trying to maintain any creative control of the various shows so that they are part of the same universe.

>>41045
Channel doesn't really matter, just the studio making it. Angel and Buffy were able to cross over with one another even though one was on WB and the other on UPN.

So, how was Gotham?

>>41056
Feels okay, Been so many iterations of the idea, whats a few changes here and there. Bruce and Gordon feels like possibly where the BTAS relationship started.

>>41056

A fun, slickly made pilot that managed to touch on the reasons as to WHY Gotham's such a craphole without becoming overly grimdark.

Some stuff, like the future Poison Ivy's relation to the plot was a touch stretching it though. But then, it's only been one episode, maybe she'll have more to do as it progresses.

Donal Logue was the best thing about it though.

>>41060
>Donal Logue was the best thing about it though.

By a fucking country MILE

>>41060
I could see that changing or because their involvement with that case and the setup that Gordon eventually uses to put the squeeze on crime that they leave town under Witness Protection around the time Oswald comes back to finish his business. If this could run long I could see GCPD growing out of it. Renee gets further jaded and eventually envious of Jim's rise to power. Makes her sloppy and gets her partner killed. she retires to run a Cop Bar. Sawyer transfers in from Metropolis to be part of Major Crimes. And more time we get Kane moving home to handle her Aunts estate. Headlines of "Lost Wayne bloodline returns to Gotham"

Part of what Marvel gets in Buzz is they have a Decade long plan and will back it up. Warner Bros could do that too, with just a little nudge.

>>41062

Ah, I wouldn't be that into Renee going down the route of that dude from Dexter (the one that got exploded), her and Jim coming to an understanding would be more interesting to me at least.

Yea likely if she ever outs Barbara since Barbara herself doesn't see the reason to mention their past relationship. Still would like to see Mags in here if the show can get enough years under its belt. Start setting up a proper GCPD within the show.

I could also go with young Harley moving into the same building with Ivy. Them getting into some sisterly hijinks as they probe the local criminal element while discussing their future ambitions. Give Harl back her intelligence they seem to gloss over or trivialize.

The second episode I found to be an overall improvement on the first, besides the deliberately problematic scene with Bullock near the beginning (involving threatening to beat a false murder confession out of a homeless black kid, with the justification that said kid is 6 foot 2 and can take a punch).

The introductions that were present in the first episode are pretty much out of the way, and it's now mostly an ensemble piece with interconnected plots that also function as world-building. Arkham plays a big part of the plot of this one, for example.

Their Selina Kyle was kind of great in the second episode (not hard as she had no lines in the first one). We get to see a combination of the good parts of her personality, and the more... extreme parts also (she defends herself later on... in a manner that's really, really gross).

Fucking everyone watched The Flash:

http://www.tvmediainsights.com/the-flash-strongest-cw-premiere-in-6-years/

>“The Flash” finished third in the 8 p.m. hour with a 3.4/ 5, which was The CW’s highest-rated premiere in the overnights since “90210” on Sept. 2, 2008 (translation: six years).

Expect CW to get its hand on more DC shows too. Haven't watched it (or Gotham), but everyone seemed extremely pleased with it. Great to hear.

>>41114
They'll probably talk CBS to moving Supergirl there once its starts production.

Fox bought six more episodes of Gotham.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=109187

>>41142
Unless BvS is a Jackknife smouldering shambles and impacts development of the other justice league stuff.

Being Said I find the Television stuff not to be too bad, Gotham has its problems with Fox being lazy shits in production, but the Rise of the Penguin is entertaining along with little Bruce coming to grips with all this stuff and talking it out with Gordon. As said This feels like the start of the relationship we saw Batman and Gordon having in BTAS.

>>41145

>Unless BvS is a Jackknife smouldering shambles

And that's going to be a big hurdle to leap. Keep in mind that Marvel didn't have a single character-crossover film until Avengers; by then, it had built up the MCU and its general feel/direction in such a way that people came to trust the Marvel brand and what it was trying to accomplish with the MCU. DC/WB doesn't have that going for them—all they have is Man of Steel, and that wasn't quite as well-received as, say, Iron Man 1.

I ain't saying DC/WB couldn't pull off something spectacular with BvS:DoJ:NTSF:SD:SUV::, but I'm not putting my faith in that film being spectacular. Right now, the only upside seems to be that we won't have to sit through another Batman origin film.

>>41146
>the only upside seems to be that we won't have to sit through another Batman origin film.

I am happy WB is showing restraint with this. It will likely come, but not right now.

Hoping the Green Lantern reboot will be about anyone that isn't Hal Jordan, because he bores me to tears.

>>41147

Could be Jon Stewart. (I'd almost bet on it, actually.)

>>41149
That would be pretty fucking awesome. Can he do good American accents?

>>41150
Man, I'd dig a british SAS JS to get him in the role.

>>41152

Shit, I'd renounce my American citizenship if it'd help.

IDRIS ELBA FOR GREEN LANTERN

>>41150

Well he was in the Wire for a couple of seasons, so yes, yes he can.

>>41155
I remember his British accent slipping through quite a lot. Hopefully he's better now but even if he isn't it would make for some good amusement at the least.

http://badassdigest.com/2014/10/23/is-dc-bringing-the-multiverse-to-movies-and-tv/

Aw hell.

>>41175

Allow me to repeat the sentiment from my previous post:

Aw hell.

>>41176
Jaden Smith and Reginald Hudlin. Its a perfect storm of shit going down.

http://badassdigest.com/2014/10/27/krypton-could-get-the-gotham-treatment/

Huh. This doesn't seem like too bad an idea.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=110900

WE GOT GRODD

Gotham overall I like it. We've gotten glimpses in past movies of what lead Bruce to be Batman as a child but its interesting to see that persona's growth from the beginning and his nudge in the right direction from both Alfred and Gordon.

This feels like the origin for the Batman that we eventually see in BTAS who has a familial relationship with Jim Gordon seen on a few occasions in that cartoon.

>The idea that darkness was the only sophisticated tone to lend a story made TV feel like a drag a lot of the time, and the prevailing gloom lent a revolutionary air to alternatives like “Parks and Recreation,” which insisted week after week that well-meaning, fundamentally good people could still be engaging to watch on screen, and that audiences genuinely wanted to root for someone.

>It is one thing for a dogged little comedy to make that argument. But, delightfully, two of fall’s best new dramas have taken up the charge. “The Flash” and “Jane the Virgin” are running creative laps around their grimmer competitors by demonstrating that the conflicts produced by good intentions are just as gripping as the misdeeds of people who conceal their worst selves rather than conquering them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2014/11/12/with-the-flash-and-jane-the-virgin-television-rediscovers-niceness/

>>41282
I don't know why this article is comparing a sea of dramas with one shit comedy, but it undermines it's point of TV being formerly being ruled with gloom. Especially when all those serious dramas are happening on cable, furthering the idea of what basic TV can't do. And who says you can't root for a bastard?

The article would be better if it was comparing the upbeat Flash with the grittiness of DC/WB films.

Also, fuck Jane the Virgin for having one of the worst premises on TV. (Oops. I accidentally got filled with sperm donations from the guy I liked.) Fucking hilarious how the radio ads made it sound like she miraculously got pregnant.

>>41283
You seem to be misunderstanding the point. It's not that you can't root for a bastard, it's that being expected to root for the bastard has become the rule rather than the exception, and it's refreshing to see nice stories again every once and a while.

>>41284

Exactly. Cable spent so long making antiheroes the protagonists of drama shows—and compelling, sympathetic protagonists to boot—that lots of us practically expect to see an asshole as a show's main character. It just took the broadcast networks time to catch up.

Antiheroism is meant to deconstruct evil by showing otherwise good people giving in to evil and how it affects them. It doesn't really work when all we get are antiheroes. That's why The Flash is so goddamn refreshing: Flash isn't an antihero, he's just a hero.

>>41286

Holy shit, the Arrow team deserves some massive kudos for getting that in the show.

>>41286
YES

Well Renee is solidly on everyone's shitlist. Did she ever had a stint in the comics where she was this much an unlikeable ass?

>>41299
Kind of, yeah.

>>41300
She may get her drinking problem after Barbara gets hurt and Gordon gives her grief about not getting Barbara to leave town for her own safety.

The only thing I know about Renee Montoya is that she is a queer womyn of color and that you must love her for that reason else you're oppressive scum (doesn't matter that you are one yourself), per Tumblr and scans_daily. What exactly did she do to piss people off? And is she actually a bad/mediocre character who gets undue praise because she tics off enough representation boxes or is she a great character who suffers from some occasionally really shitty writing?

>>41303

She's a great character who has been thoroughly thrown under the bus by the show. Her appearances in the No Man's Land comics and Gotham Central were great, for example.

>>41304
I don't know why they needed a damned love triangle in the first place. Barbara being stressed about Jim and his work should have been enough. At the moment I like watching the foundation being built for what will one day be Batman. Also a more Animated Series kinda relationship with Selina in that Bruce himself cares for Selina and she on some level is a connection.

If this show goes long haul and ends up spinning into an actual Batman show, I could see a new spin on Selina being a freelance "Art Recovery Expert".

>>41305

Ah, as silly as the show can get in places, I go actually find myself being oddly fond of it. Admittedly, Barbara is probably the weak link there (Renee looked to be on the mend, until the affair reveal), but I'd say they've done enough to justify WHY she's so terrible, while also setting up the possiblity of her fixing things. Like, the reason Renee was so worried about her in the first place is that Babs' compulsive nature leads her to do things that in the long term are bad for her (such as demand Jim share his secrets despite her demonstated inability to keep them) and casual substance abuse.

I really like the Penguin, Alfred, Bruce, Harvey Bullock and Selina though. More of those characters please! Plus a preview clip for the next episode seemed to be setting up "Ivy Pepper" coming back, which seems to back up the showrunners' comments that she'll be playing a larger part in the second half of the season. She looked more interesting there (if a touch "off") than she did in the pilot.

>>41306

I kinda want Jim and Harvey to put her into Witness Protection under the assumed name of Pamela Isley maybe moving out to a less crime ridden area of Gotham proper. Hanging with a young more outgoing Harleen Quinzel. Again building on Animated styled relationships, speaking on the more sisterly version with Ivy becoming protective of Harley.

I do enjoy seeing Penguin operating in the shadows putting all his pieces in place. And watching Alfred prepare Bruce.

Wonder Woman has a director: Michelle MacLaren.

http://badassdigest.com/2014/11/24/great-hera-michelle-maclaren-directing-wonder-woman/

>>41308
>http://badassdigest.com/2014/11/24/great-hera-michelle-maclaren-directing-wonder-woman/

Getting tired of media sites saying "It's OFFICIAL...' when neither the studio or the director confirmed it.

Similar to the reports of Benedict Cumberbatch being Dr. Strange, as Marvel Studios has yet to say a word of it.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/11/24/constantine-production-halted/

Dammit NBC, this is why you can't have nice things.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/suicide-squad-cast-revealed-jared-leto-to-play-the-joker-will-smith-is-deadshot-1201368867/

Also, Tom Hardy is Rick Flagg, Margot Robbie is Harley, Jai Courtney is Boomerang, and Cara Delvinge is Enchantress.

>>41350
>Tom Hardy
Boo, he made Bane a laughingstock in my eyes. Not sure about the other three though.

>>41377
Dude it's not his fault that movie was terrible top to bottom.

>>41400

If anything, his being a damned meme factory made him one of the only tolerable parts of DKR.

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/exclusive-mark-hamill-to-play-the-trickster-again-on-the-flash

Got me again, Flash!

>>41405
I keep thinking that something like his dad being a Silver Age Flash is actually going to pop up.

The Flash on a whim I gave a shot and am so pleasantly surprised that it's a solid show, it strikes a nice in between of the extremes from the Raimi Spider-man movie with a daveling in sorrow against an air of hope.

Goddamn, just give the movies to the show writers, fucksake I saw two gaffs but other than that the Flash is fucking a rock solid 8 outta 10.

Compare that to the travesty of Whatever the fuck you wanna call the third Batman movie and Man of Steel and it's just fucking embarrassing.

Like fuck Constantine and Gotham but damn The Arrow and Flash are great, I saw more love in them for the comics then I did in those movies because THEY FUCKING HATE WHAT THEY ARE.

>>41409
Indeed that is one of the things Hollywood loves to ridicule the Marvel films for and apparently pressure the DC films not to be, much to their determent.

>>41414

Which is a bit ironic, considering the entire MCU has made over 7 billion dollars worldwide (3 billion of it in the US alone) with two certified billion-dollar films (Avengers and Iron Man 3).

Man of Steel didn’t even make 300 mil in domestic and couldn’t break 700 mil worldwide. Shame for the source material, it seems, doesn’t make for bank-breaking films.

>>41416
They cripple them by ascribing to the idea of being "down to earth" But even this missing the point and thinking down to earth means gritty and dour. I mean other than being one of the most mighty beings on the planet you won't find a person more down to earth than Clark Kent. Its that kinda Clark I hope shows up in Supergirl if they do get that into the show. An All-Star Supes take on him. Because it can be done. I'm happy the shows coming out have found some kinda balance between the comic and the dramatic.

>>41417

It harkens back to an idea I heard on /co/ long ago: Marvel wants to tell stories, while DC wants to create mythologies.

>>41419
Yea I can see that, coming in aren't they using the idea that Wondy and Arthur are descendants of Gods?

>>41419
Ironic how each one's universe is actually more suited to pulling off the other one better, though Marvel somehow has managed to succeed at both while DC only barely pulls off the story on occasion.

>>41421
Arrow seems to be a good show of that. Kinda getting it but only really hitting its stride when it stars using the comics as building material and not for wiping papers. Warner Bros really needs to get the hint when people get excited over a boxing glove on the end of an arrow. Serious is fine but that doesn't mean it has to be heartless and not take some sense of joy in what it does.

I'm glad the actors seem to enjoy themselves doing these shows, that bring a lot to it enjoying who you are.

Guys, new Mad Max Fury Road trailer. Which kicked my ass. I got my ass kicked by a movie trailer.

Wow, Ollie got WRECKED in that duel.

>>41423
Wow, shit yeah.

>>41424
The fact he wasn't pulp is impressive.

Someone doing sound analysis of Reverse Flash lines. The sound like two different people. Both Wells and Eddie Think that may be Post and Pre Crisis Zoom? Silver Age Flash Crippled his Reverse Flash and one from the Future undid the deed and killed Barry's mother

>>41422
I don't think Arrow and Flash are part of the DC film universe the way Agents of SHIELD is part of Marvel's though.

>>41427
That's part of the point I'm making, the shows seem to be a bit more in touch with their comic book nature. Then ending up running away from it like the recent movies have.

>>41427
Geoff Johns outright said that it's a seperate deal, hence the different casting for the DCCU characters and the characters in the show. (Will Smith as Deadshot versus whoever plays him in the shows, for example). Heck,, the guy who plays Oliver Queen actually went to complain that it was shitty for them to announce who'd be playing the movie version of the Flash so soon after the show debuted, to give you an idea of how seperated they are.

Plus there's the rights issue thing... like Superman and Batman aren't allowed to appear in Arrow or the Flash, but Nightwing and Bludhaven are (despite both being in the upcoming TNT show Titans that films next year). Same as the new Supergirl show that the same dudes who made Arrow and Flash are making despite it being on a different network.

>>41429
Any more on that Rumor that Gotham will get connected into Titans with Pertwee showing up as Alfred at some point to pin that Night Wing as Dick or something.

Also in talking about Turner Network show so I'd wager on the adaptation they've set for them with Cartoon Network guiding their personalities. I'd see Allison Scagliotti being Raven since she's got that emotionless delivery down pretty well and she's got the face for it. pending if they want to go with the cartoon colors.

>>41429
Jesus the DC adaptation verse seems like such a clusterfuck.
Even Marvel seems partitioned way neater since you've got Fox's X-Men (who I've always thought made more sense cut off from the rest of Marvel) and the Fantastic Four (too lame to make good movies out of, shoot me), Sony's Spiderverse, and MCU for just about everything else.

>>41431
>(too lame to make good movies out of, shoot me)
I'm not mad or gonna yell at you I just think you've never read a good fantastic four story.

And yeah, DC rights have always been a clusterfuck because of how greed WB is, the first pitch they get they throw the franchise at them with no regard for long term consequences.

>>41434
The Incredibles is still one of the best written superhero films ever.

//youtube.com/watch?v=YWNWi-ZWL3c

I am getting a feeling that Immorten Joe will be my next favorite villain. And damn, his henchmen are absolutely insane.

>>41439
Is that Arrow?

I'm considering getting into Arrow.

>>41440
The first half of the first season is rough, but then it gets good, and the second season is where the quality really steps up. The third has been a slow build up, but the mid-season finale was an excellent payoff.

>>41441
Cool, also this was too good not to mention.

"The Man in the yellow suit and murderous George."

So once Iris breaks it with Eddie, we see a Future Flash just blast through and add their power to the others and trounce the two Zooms. Its a guess.

https://soundcloud.com/necros1s/harrison-wells-reverse-flashspoiled

>>41445
Its a Zoom being a snarky dick. But which?

http://badassdigest.com/2014/12/15/find-out-supermans-situation-in-batman-v-superman

So, if you believe this report, WB’s handling the criticisms of Man of Steel in the most hamfisted way possible.

I can dig it.

I’m good with that.

Kinda bummed it won’t be C.C.H. Pounder, though.

>>41481
Thank god it's not Oprah like some people suggested. That woman can't act worth shit.

Was hoping for someone heavier but she was good in Ender's Game so it's a good fit.

>>41485
That's what I thought when I watched it.

>>41485
Hollywood isn't ready to case someone that large in a serious leadership role.

>>41483
CCH Pounder is busy being the coroner on NCIS: New Orleans.

>>41483
>no Batfleck bathroom stalking
Shame shame.

Am I the only person for whom Amanda Waller is the only interesting thing in Suicide Squad?

>>41497
Indeed She's tough and can make them come to heel. Also doesn't take shit from any Super so yea she is awesome. I think she's a good pick. She looks a lot like Waller did during Checkmate.

>>41558
Ah Ivy, now show up already Harley. So Selena can be spooked out by both of you.

>>41606
That is impressively lame holy shit.

>>41606
Figures, it was clear early on that they were biting off more than they can chew trying to compete with Marvel instead of waiting to carve their own niche and let the DCCU develop more organically.

>>41606

I don't buy this as legit. Wait for the trailer.

Heh, if Enter the Knight was the actual name for the potential first movie, there are a whole bunch of jokes that could be made about it.

Also, it looks like we should be getting the first official teaser for BvS in Feburary (along with that awful looking Fantastic Four movie Fox is making out of spite), before that upcoming movie Jupiter Ascending. I don't know whether it'll be that "Grr, let's glower at each other on a rooftop!" thing from SDCC though.

//youtube.com/watch?v=orDkJesqvec

>>41613

If it’s not the only scene in the teaser, the rooftop scene will be either the first or last thing shown in the trailer. I guarantee it.

>>41614
So it's Chew?

>>41616

if they strip if of most the paranormal stuff then that's pretty right.

>>41622
I am very down for this.

>>41622
This feels pretty out of left field. Flash and Green Arrow are pretty solidly B-tier DC characters, and make sense to build shows around. (Flash already having had a show, and Green Arrow basically being Batman dressed as Robin Hood)

Vixen is like, D-tier. Highest profile black and female hero I guess?

>>41626
Vixen is solid C-tier thanks to the DCAU, like Hawkgirl, plus everything about her is street level so she fits extremely well if they ever want to bring her in with an actual actress.

I mean seriously, this universe is already WAAAAAAAAAAY better than the movie universe and current canon comics.

>>41627
At first I thought it was really dumb that WB wasn't taking the opportunity to join the TV and movie universes together. But considering how godawful MoS was, how uninteresting the slate of DCCU movies is shaping up to be, and how goddamn amazing the TV shows are, it's almost certainly for the better.

>>41622
Maybe it's just me but it seems like the art style is trying just a little too hard to ape Korra's, except their noses look a lot more awkward. Also her costume could use a little more spice.

>>41632
Looks more like Young Justice than Korra to me.

>>41633
very clearly.

>>41631
I'm just glad Gotham is in it's own bubble cuz that just didn't look great.

Man though, the rights are such a mess, I'm just glad Arrow and The Flash are earning deserved praise.

Wow, I guess not as bad as Constantine though, without the bi-sexuality or the mature subject matter shit is so lame I honestly forgot it existed.

I'm just reading up on it now, slated for death doesn't even fit, this show aborted itself.

The funny part is Constantine was the one with all the movie people backing it like Goyer.

>>41635
Seriously, I think we have yet to see any openly LGBT character in any of the current live action superhero adaptations who aren't dead (those two women from AOS) or complete scumbags and cheaters (Renee and Barbara). Constantine being bi would be huge, considering bi men have even less representation than gay men. It's not even like it would be that intrusive in the story.

>>41633
Same designer, Phil something.

>>41637
Actually the writers pointed out those two women in Agents of SHIELD explicitly aren't gay precisely to avoid that issue. Though it doesn't change the fact there aren't any LGBT people in the MCU. Sure, most of them characters are tied up in the X-Men license or part of universes like Hulking and WIccan that aren't ready to make it to the big screen yet but there are plenty of OCs too, why not do something with them, or put Phylla-Vell and Moondragon in GotG?

>>41640
I can see Phylla entering Guardians of the Galaxy as a Dragon Hunter. Her coming on board with a very Captain Ahab mentality to hunting the "Dragon of the Moons" or something.

My big thing is can they be folded in and keep the writing strong in the narrative already being crafted. Gotham has been kinda iffy with Renee and Barbara but I think it could work with some other Heroes and Villains if they show up in one of the DC shows.

>>41641
The only problem is that anything involving the -Vell family is potentially going to open up a huuuge can of lore worms, whether it's the whole "white Kree" thing (it's a retcon that's unnecessary in this day and age so I hope they leave that out of the MCU entirely), everything involving the Skrulls, and the issues of fucking with Carol Danvers' origins and agency, and everything involving her brother. I hope they find a way to make it work but it's going to require a lot of pragmatic changes that I who lean heavily on the purist side of things will have to just suck up.

>>41642
If Skrulls are involved then that whole mess is still bansihed from MCU till they can get the Fantastic Four rights back from Fox.

its good that DC doesn't have that problem with their Show Slate. Would like to see Superman appear in some aspect and start sewing this whole tapestry together.

>>41642
Why are Pink Kree any less acceptable than the Brown Kree we already got in GotG?

>>41649
Yeah, color variation of race on an Alien species doesn't make them less believable, it makes it more believable.