Re-watching Man of Steel to MST3K it with friends and holy god I still stand by my statement that if they had just made "KRYPTON: The birthplace of Superman" like they CLEARLY CLEARLY wanted to it would have been more tolerable than shoving toothpicks under your fingernails.
>>40479 Thinking about it Krypton overall served as a place of mystical wonder to both the audience and to Clark. As both only seeing places in glimmers and only stories. Film kinda harms that a bit sticking around there as much as it does.
>>40481 Yeah but those parts of the movie were like pulling your own teeth out while the Krypton stuff was at least watchable, my only complaint was I FUCKING GODDAMN HATE how wildlife and technology were portrayed in it because "TDK on Pandora" is like "Teletubbies in Auschwitz" in terms of ideological clash.
Fucking in like a panel the Krypton randomly invented by Grant Morrison to portray a African culturally based Krypton is a hundred times more visually interesting, the crystals were great, the crystals were impressive, know whats not impressive? THOSE FUCKING PIN PRESS TOYS AS A BASIS FOR TECHNOLOGY< FUCK THAT STUPID MOVIE.
But I mean, I hate that movie as a whole, I'm just saying I could have stood it if they stayed on Krypton even with the dumb shit like that.
That's a cosplay by cosplayer Meagan Marie and not Gal Gadot's movie costume. Photos of that have neither been leaked or released as of yet. The only leak we have from set that's of her is her in a blue dress.
>>40648 Most often there are internal politics involved that we're not seeing. It's not so much "Fox" that greenlights something or "Fox" that cancels them. There are specific executives who are in charge of scheduling, and there's this weird thing where if a show gets greenlit by one executive, that executive gets the credit even if they're fired or promoted out of the role or something--but the current exec usually gets the blame if a show that's on now doesn't do well.
So the executive in charge of scheduling will be both more likely to cut a show before it can go bad and make them look bad in the process, and also be more likely to cut a show that was greenlit by a predecessor even if it looks like it might be successful. Many of the sci-fi shows that they've cancelled have been greenlit by one exec who leaves before it makes it to air, and then cancelled by their successors.
The tl;dr version is that sometimes networks really *are* intentionally sabotaging shows. And other times the shows are just dealt a bad hand because the person who "got it" is already gone by the time they make it to air.
None of this excuses any of this behavior--it's still absolutely retarded. But it might put some perspective on why they greenlight them in the first place only to cancel them so quickly.
Good news for everyone fearing David Goyer would write every DC film.
>I’m hearing that after he absolutely crushed the script on that film, Oscar-winning Argo scribe Chris Terrio is being courted by the studio to come aboard and script its Justice League movie. That superhero mash-up will be DC Comics‘ answer to Marvel’s Avengers juggernaut. Not that well known prior to Argo, Terrio has fast become an A-list scribe, and a favorite of writer-directors. He’s got Bunker Hill with Ben Affleck, and The Foreigner, among several big pics. Terrio’s repped by WME.
I think that I actually like this one more than some of the more stylised ones that they've released thus far. If only because it actually makes the Penguin's "There's gonna be chaos!" rambling from the previous trailers make more sense.
Like, the Waynes were hugely influential in Gotham, if not nationally, so their murder has an enormous impact on all walks of life in the City. So their deaths cause a shift in the Gotham underworld, leading to the eventual rise of the Penguin etc.
Also, probs best to get Bruce a therapist Alfred, what with him hurting himself with candles and standing on the room of his mansion. Huh, maybe that's where Hugo Strange comes into the series, who I think was confirmed a week or so ago...
Also, the dude who kills the Waynes seems familiar somehow...
>>40691 That makes some sense. Some stories have the Wayne family having a history of being the caretakers of the city working to heal its wounds no matter what their occupation. Establish what Bruce means by Gotham being his city.
Surprised to see Age of Ultron at 5th place, but besides the teaser (which wasn't shown in public), there wasn't a lot of new info.
I liked the Batman v. Superman teaser (also not for public), but it was funny to hear people freaking out when Superman showed up, like they didn't expect him to be in his own film. Also cool to see Wonder Woman get some love.
>[DC doesn't] want their heroes being funny. They don't want to open their heroes to ridicule. They want to maintain the opposite tone of Marvel, which is to present these characters and their adventures as Important, having Mythic Resonance. They're bringing the DC characters back to their Silver Age roots, which is making them essentially a pantheon of Gods. It was in reaction to this that Marvel created their feet-of-clay characters, and it was that humanity - which included humor - that made the Marvel characters so enormously popular. […] Warner Bros, lacking a central Kevin Feige type, has no idea how to make these films work. And coming while Guardians of the Galaxy is being very funny and very successful for Marvel, news of this mandate must make fans wary.
>>40943 Yea that was the big problem people had with MoS. More Alien God than Dude from Kansas that wanted to do the right thing. That is also a huge bit of irony in making them not funny and human makes them ridiculed even further than they otherwise would be.
>>40956 Perhaps from his work on the Preacher TV show? Or, maybe he just knows it's obivous B.S. Wouldn't be the first false rumor about Batman vs. Superman we've heard before.
>>40955 I actually don't mind this. What bothered me about Man of Steel's ending was that after establishing the alien attack on Metropolis as another 9/11, everything is just hunky dory the next day, with Superman as the big hero, despite actually causing some of that mindless destruction. (But he saved Lois! ...and no one else). So, if this all leads to a more responsible Superman, than I'm all for it.
Now we just need the last survivor of Zods forces to be Supergirl and we will be all set for a grimmer Superman setting. (My idea for her is that she was made to test the cloning tanks for the step two/three of the colonisation plan, better safe then sorry right Zod?)
>>40963 Kara sorta already exists in the movieverse, Goyer wrote a prequel comic to MoS, set several thousands of years before the movie. Krytpon was starting their colonization efforts , and for (dumb) plot reasons she ends up crash landing on earth. The shit that Clark found buried in ice? That was hers.
Of course, this is "canon" only on a very shaky sense, they could simply ignore the comic altogether. Also, IIRC, that comic was what made some people think that the Amazons would be of Kryptonian origin.
>In what is believed to be the first SVOD deal for a broadcast series made before its premiere, Netflix has reached an agreement with Warner Bros. Worldwide Television Distribution for the upcoming Fox drama series Gotham. Under the pact, Netflix will become the exclusive subscription video on demand home of the Warner Bros. TV-produced Batman prequel in the U.S. as well as in each of the territories in which the streaming network operates and select other territories in which it plans to launch services. Each season of the series will be available to Netflix members following their broadcast run. In the U.S. that is expected to be in September 2015, coinciding with the potential Season 2 premiere. Noone is discussing figures, but I hear the deal is worth about $1.75 million an episode.
>The Shazam project will be produced by New Line, a subsidiary of Warner Bros. proper, and when New Line president Toby Emmerich gets on the phone to EW, he makes it clear that the film will be a different kind of superhero movie. “It feels to me like Shazam will have a tone unto itself,” he explains. “It’s a DC comic, but it’s not a Justice League character, and it’s not a Marvel comic. The tone and the feeling of the movie will be different from the other range of comic book movies.”
>The usual superhero-movie cone of silence prevents Emmerich from addressing any of the plot elements of Shazam directly. But when asked where the movie would fall on the superhero-movie spectrum (from dark and gritty to light and peppy), Emmerich does allow that the movie “will have a sense of fun and a sense of humor. But the stakes have to be real.”
>>40979 That's a worst case scenario. The thing is, what he described is like half of the action movies ever made, and especially pretty much every Marvel-produced Superhero movie, which he specifically said it wouldn't be like, so it's not a very helpful thing to say.
>>40980 Personal opinion, but recent Marvel movies like Thor 2 try hard to be funny (and failing at it), at the cost of drama. Guardians of the Galaxy is really more of a comedy film. The Winter Soldier, however, had a good balance of comedy and drama.
So, I guess you can take the comment as Shazam not being too grimdark (Man of Steel), but not too silly either (GOTG).
>>41011 that Smallville was winding down and nobody really had an interest in Suoerhero stuff of that type. Course that was before Marvel stormed the box office and we had the current stable of DC stuff coming to TV. It could have a chance now i think. Heck they are working on stuff for The Atom too.
>>41012 I hope it's the Ryan Choi incarnation. He's pretty awesome plus he's a great Asian superhero without being token or needing to racelift a preestablished character. Dumb enough that Big Hero 6 did it, even with the change in setting San Francisco has plenty enough Japanese Americans that keeping everyone the same race wouldn't have been unrealistic aside from a few name changes and hell would've made even more sense with some if them being ABJ running on some Hollywood idea of their cultural heritage.
Forgot TNT existed. Anyway, looks like WB/DC is really on the ball with these comic book shows. Now, if they can find a better home for their animated programs--because Cartoon Network stopped caring long ago--they'll be set.
>>41020 Hub is about the only place I could think. Margret may be retiring for health reasons but the ones there are refugees from Nick and such that left because higher ups were running the place into the ground.
>>41025 That might not be a bad idea, depending on how the big Dreamworks deal pans out for Netlfix. They've already used Titmouse and now Mir will be doing some of their shows. Mir Animated DC stuff sounds good. Course some of that probably with hinge on the current DC Digital thing going well. Has there been any more on Powers?
>>41021 Last show I watched from them was Leverage. Though they apparently have a solid stable of buddy crime dramas right now.
>As Fox feted the premiere of its new series Gotham last night in New York, the network is betting on another drama based on a DC character from a top series creator. Fox has given a put pilot commitment to Lucifer, from Californication creator/executive producer Tom Kapinos and DC Comics sibling Warner Bros TV, which is behind all DC-themed TV projects.
>WBTV has been rapidly expanding its live-action DC Comics TV universe. This fall, it is going from one to four primetime series, returning Arrow and freshmen The Flash, Gotham and Constantine. In addition to Lucifer, it is prepping another major broadcast franchise with Supergirl, from Greg Berlanti and Ali Adler, and has Titans nearing a pilot green light at TNT.
>Once the only network staying out of the whole new massive comic book TV show arena, CBS is going all in with a new Supergirl show - which they've given an official series commitment to, bypassing both the "in development" and "pilot" stage.
>Supergirl, a new one hour drama, will come to us from Berlanti Productions (both Arrow and The Flash on The CW) in association with Warner Bros. Television. Greg Berlanti and Ali Adler (Chuck, No Ordinary Family) will serve as writers, while also serving as EPs alongside Sarah Schechter.
While I like seeing the alternate takes and mass creation of series based on comic book characters, I'm worried it's going to lead to burn out and networks picking up characters that could make for a great series but giving them a shit treatment just to say "we have a superhero show, too!"
It's also annoying with DC because having all of these shows on different stations (CBS, CW, FOX) means there's not only no practical possibility of cross-overs between many of them, but each station may introduce their version of a character that has a series on another station. Marvel has their Ciniverse, which includes Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and DC could have done a New New New52 kind of thing by creating a Televerse, but I don't think they're trying to maintain any creative control of the various shows so that they are part of the same universe.
>>41060 I could see that changing or because their involvement with that case and the setup that Gordon eventually uses to put the squeeze on crime that they leave town under Witness Protection around the time Oswald comes back to finish his business. If this could run long I could see GCPD growing out of it. Renee gets further jaded and eventually envious of Jim's rise to power. Makes her sloppy and gets her partner killed. she retires to run a Cop Bar. Sawyer transfers in from Metropolis to be part of Major Crimes. And more time we get Kane moving home to handle her Aunts estate. Headlines of "Lost Wayne bloodline returns to Gotham"
Part of what Marvel gets in Buzz is they have a Decade long plan and will back it up. Warner Bros could do that too, with just a little nudge.
Yea likely if she ever outs Barbara since Barbara herself doesn't see the reason to mention their past relationship. Still would like to see Mags in here if the show can get enough years under its belt. Start setting up a proper GCPD within the show.
I could also go with young Harley moving into the same building with Ivy. Them getting into some sisterly hijinks as they probe the local criminal element while discussing their future ambitions. Give Harl back her intelligence they seem to gloss over or trivialize.
This does a pretty good job of summing up what I think of Gotham.
Right now the only thing they did to separate it from any other gritty cop drama is dropping names. Without the names it's meh. With the names it's "meh with the whisper of a promise". Even Agents of SHIELD knew to put some superpowers in the first episode to give any new audience an idea of what's to come.
The second episode I found to be an overall improvement on the first, besides the deliberately problematic scene with Bullock near the beginning (involving threatening to beat a false murder confession out of a homeless black kid, with the justification that said kid is 6 foot 2 and can take a punch).
The introductions that were present in the first episode are pretty much out of the way, and it's now mostly an ensemble piece with interconnected plots that also function as world-building. Arkham plays a big part of the plot of this one, for example.
Their Selina Kyle was kind of great in the second episode (not hard as she had no lines in the first one). We get to see a combination of the good parts of her personality, and the more... extreme parts also (she defends herself later on... in a manner that's really, really gross).
>>41142 Unless BvS is a Jackknife smouldering shambles and impacts development of the other justice league stuff.
Being Said I find the Television stuff not to be too bad, Gotham has its problems with Fox being lazy shits in production, but the Rise of the Penguin is entertaining along with little Bruce coming to grips with all this stuff and talking it out with Gordon. As said This feels like the start of the relationship we saw Batman and Gordon having in BTAS.
And that's going to be a big hurdle to leap. Keep in mind that Marvel didn't have a single character-crossover film until Avengers; by then, it had built up the MCU and its general feel/direction in such a way that people came to trust the Marvel brand and what it was trying to accomplish with the MCU. DC/WB doesn't have that going for them—all they have is Man of Steel, and that wasn't quite as well-received as, say, Iron Man 1.
I ain't saying DC/WB couldn't pull off something spectacular with BvS:DoJ:NTSF:SD:SUV::, but I'm not putting my faith in that film being spectacular. Right now, the only upside seems to be that we won't have to sit through another Batman origin film.
Gotham overall I like it. We've gotten glimpses in past movies of what lead Bruce to be Batman as a child but its interesting to see that persona's growth from the beginning and his nudge in the right direction from both Alfred and Gordon.
This feels like the origin for the Batman that we eventually see in BTAS who has a familial relationship with Jim Gordon seen on a few occasions in that cartoon.
>The idea that darkness was the only sophisticated tone to lend a story made TV feel like a drag a lot of the time, and the prevailing gloom lent a revolutionary air to alternatives like “Parks and Recreation,” which insisted week after week that well-meaning, fundamentally good people could still be engaging to watch on screen, and that audiences genuinely wanted to root for someone.
>It is one thing for a dogged little comedy to make that argument. But, delightfully, two of fall’s best new dramas have taken up the charge. “The Flash” and “Jane the Virgin” are running creative laps around their grimmer competitors by demonstrating that the conflicts produced by good intentions are just as gripping as the misdeeds of people who conceal their worst selves rather than conquering them.
>>41282 I don't know why this article is comparing a sea of dramas with one shit comedy, but it undermines it's point of TV being formerly being ruled with gloom. Especially when all those serious dramas are happening on cable, furthering the idea of what basic TV can't do. And who says you can't root for a bastard?
The article would be better if it was comparing the upbeat Flash with the grittiness of DC/WB films.
Also, fuck Jane the Virgin for having one of the worst premises on TV. (Oops. I accidentally got filled with sperm donations from the guy I liked.) Fucking hilarious how the radio ads made it sound like she miraculously got pregnant.
>>41283 You seem to be misunderstanding the point. It's not that you can't root for a bastard, it's that being expected to root for the bastard has become the rule rather than the exception, and it's refreshing to see nice stories again every once and a while.
Exactly. Cable spent so long making antiheroes the protagonists of drama shows—and compelling, sympathetic protagonists to boot—that lots of us practically expect to see an asshole as a show's main character. It just took the broadcast networks time to catch up.
Antiheroism is meant to deconstruct evil by showing otherwise good people giving in to evil and how it affects them. It doesn't really work when all we get are antiheroes. That's why The Flash is so goddamn refreshing: Flash isn't an antihero, he's just a hero.
The only thing I know about Renee Montoya is that she is a queer womyn of color and that you must love her for that reason else you're oppressive scum (doesn't matter that you are one yourself), per Tumblr and scans_daily. What exactly did she do to piss people off? And is she actually a bad/mediocre character who gets undue praise because she tics off enough representation boxes or is she a great character who suffers from some occasionally really shitty writing?
>>41304 I don't know why they needed a damned love triangle in the first place. Barbara being stressed about Jim and his work should have been enough. At the moment I like watching the foundation being built for what will one day be Batman. Also a more Animated Series kinda relationship with Selina in that Bruce himself cares for Selina and she on some level is a connection.
If this show goes long haul and ends up spinning into an actual Batman show, I could see a new spin on Selina being a freelance "Art Recovery Expert".
Ah, as silly as the show can get in places, I go actually find myself being oddly fond of it. Admittedly, Barbara is probably the weak link there (Renee looked to be on the mend, until the affair reveal), but I'd say they've done enough to justify WHY she's so terrible, while also setting up the possiblity of her fixing things. Like, the reason Renee was so worried about her in the first place is that Babs' compulsive nature leads her to do things that in the long term are bad for her (such as demand Jim share his secrets despite her demonstated inability to keep them) and casual substance abuse.
I really like the Penguin, Alfred, Bruce, Harvey Bullock and Selina though. More of those characters please! Plus a preview clip for the next episode seemed to be setting up "Ivy Pepper" coming back, which seems to back up the showrunners' comments that she'll be playing a larger part in the second half of the season. She looked more interesting there (if a touch "off") than she did in the pilot.
I kinda want Jim and Harvey to put her into Witness Protection under the assumed name of Pamela Isley maybe moving out to a less crime ridden area of Gotham proper. Hanging with a young more outgoing Harleen Quinzel. Again building on Animated styled relationships, speaking on the more sisterly version with Ivy becoming protective of Harley.
I do enjoy seeing Penguin operating in the shadows putting all his pieces in place. And watching Alfred prepare Bruce.
The Flash on a whim I gave a shot and am so pleasantly surprised that it's a solid show, it strikes a nice in between of the extremes from the Raimi Spider-man movie with a daveling in sorrow against an air of hope.
>>41416 They cripple them by ascribing to the idea of being "down to earth" But even this missing the point and thinking down to earth means gritty and dour. I mean other than being one of the most mighty beings on the planet you won't find a person more down to earth than Clark Kent. Its that kinda Clark I hope shows up in Supergirl if they do get that into the show. An All-Star Supes take on him. Because it can be done. I'm happy the shows coming out have found some kinda balance between the comic and the dramatic.
>>41419 Ironic how each one's universe is actually more suited to pulling off the other one better, though Marvel somehow has managed to succeed at both while DC only barely pulls off the story on occasion.
>>41421 Arrow seems to be a good show of that. Kinda getting it but only really hitting its stride when it stars using the comics as building material and not for wiping papers. Warner Bros really needs to get the hint when people get excited over a boxing glove on the end of an arrow. Serious is fine but that doesn't mean it has to be heartless and not take some sense of joy in what it does.
I'm glad the actors seem to enjoy themselves doing these shows, that bring a lot to it enjoying who you are.
Someone doing sound analysis of Reverse Flash lines. The sound like two different people. Both Wells and Eddie Think that may be Post and Pre Crisis Zoom? Silver Age Flash Crippled his Reverse Flash and one from the Future undid the deed and killed Barry's mother
>>41427 Geoff Johns outright said that it's a seperate deal, hence the different casting for the DCCU characters and the characters in the show. (Will Smith as Deadshot versus whoever plays him in the shows, for example). Heck,, the guy who plays Oliver Queen actually went to complain that it was shitty for them to announce who'd be playing the movie version of the Flash so soon after the show debuted, to give you an idea of how seperated they are.
Plus there's the rights issue thing... like Superman and Batman aren't allowed to appear in Arrow or the Flash, but Nightwing and Bludhaven are (despite both being in the upcoming TNT show Titans that films next year). Same as the new Supergirl show that the same dudes who made Arrow and Flash are making despite it being on a different network.
>>41429 Any more on that Rumor that Gotham will get connected into Titans with Pertwee showing up as Alfred at some point to pin that Night Wing as Dick or something.
Also in talking about Turner Network show so I'd wager on the adaptation they've set for them with Cartoon Network guiding their personalities. I'd see Allison Scagliotti being Raven since she's got that emotionless delivery down pretty well and she's got the face for it. pending if they want to go with the cartoon colors.
>>41429 Jesus the DC adaptation verse seems like such a clusterfuck. Even Marvel seems partitioned way neater since you've got Fox's X-Men (who I've always thought made more sense cut off from the rest of Marvel) and the Fantastic Four (too lame to make good movies out of, shoot me), Sony's Spiderverse, and MCU for just about everything else.
(Just to point out why the Fantastic Four movies fail, they always try to be more action than adventure, what you need to do is look at the best Fantastic Four movies to see how it's done, the best being The Incredibles.)
Jumping a bit late on TDKR discussion, but overall, I thought it was a good movie.
Undoubtedly, the story would be a lot tighter if all the fat from the story was cut, but I was entertained nonetheless. A big problem with the film--and this is usually the case with Nolan--is the dialogue. And when I talk about dialogue, I don't mean the "4 u" scene. I'm referring more to scenes where characters would just state their intentions so bluntly. Like Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character first confronting Bruce Wayne and telling him his life story.
Despite never being called Catwoman in the script, I thought the character's portrayal and Anne Hathaway's performance was fantastic. Also enjoyed Tom Hardy as Bane. Didn't bother me a bit he didn't have his Venom and didn't scream "I shall fold you like paper!" Was disappointed with THE fight scene. Fight choreography has never been great with these film and they usually do an okay job hiding from it, but for the iconic back-breaking scene, it really hurt.
Disappointed to see so many blame Nolan for DC and WB failing to understand why the Batman Begins trilogy was so great. Those films were never meant to be a template. Those films worked because Nolan made them worked under his conservative direction. Also, Nolan telling Snyder and Goyer that Superman shouldn't snap Zod's neck in Man of Steel shows he understands the characters better than people give him credit for.
>>41440 The first half of the first season is rough, but then it gets good, and the second season is where the quality really steps up. The third has been a slow build up, but the mid-season finale was an excellent payoff.
http://comicbook.com/2014/12/22/tim-burton-says-studio-didnt-want-him-to-do-another-batman-think/ >“I think I upset McDonalds. [They asked] ‘What’s that black stuff coming out of the Penguin’s mouth. We can’t sell Happy Meals with that!”
>>41606 Figures, it was clear early on that they were biting off more than they can chew trying to compete with Marvel instead of waiting to carve their own niche and let the DCCU develop more organically.
Heh, if Enter the Knight was the actual name for the potential first movie, there are a whole bunch of jokes that could be made about it.
Also, it looks like we should be getting the first official teaser for BvS in Feburary (along with that awful looking Fantastic Four movie Fox is making out of spite), before that upcoming movie Jupiter Ascending. I don't know whether it'll be that "Grr, let's glower at each other on a rooftop!" thing from SDCC though.
>>41622 This feels pretty out of left field. Flash and Green Arrow are pretty solidly B-tier DC characters, and make sense to build shows around. (Flash already having had a show, and Green Arrow basically being Batman dressed as Robin Hood)
Vixen is like, D-tier. Highest profile black and female hero I guess?
>>41627 At first I thought it was really dumb that WB wasn't taking the opportunity to join the TV and movie universes together. But considering how godawful MoS was, how uninteresting the slate of DCCU movies is shaping up to be, and how goddamn amazing the TV shows are, it's almost certainly for the better.
>>41635 Seriously, I think we have yet to see any openly LGBT character in any of the current live action superhero adaptations who aren't dead (those two women from AOS) or complete scumbags and cheaters (Renee and Barbara). Constantine being bi would be huge, considering bi men have even less representation than gay men. It's not even like it would be that intrusive in the story.
>>41637 Actually the writers pointed out those two women in Agents of SHIELD explicitly aren't gay precisely to avoid that issue. Though it doesn't change the fact there aren't any LGBT people in the MCU. Sure, most of them characters are tied up in the X-Men license or part of universes like Hulking and WIccan that aren't ready to make it to the big screen yet but there are plenty of OCs too, why not do something with them, or put Phylla-Vell and Moondragon in GotG?
>>41640 I can see Phylla entering Guardians of the Galaxy as a Dragon Hunter. Her coming on board with a very Captain Ahab mentality to hunting the "Dragon of the Moons" or something.
My big thing is can they be folded in and keep the writing strong in the narrative already being crafted. Gotham has been kinda iffy with Renee and Barbara but I think it could work with some other Heroes and Villains if they show up in one of the DC shows.
>>41641 The only problem is that anything involving the -Vell family is potentially going to open up a huuuge can of lore worms, whether it's the whole "white Kree" thing (it's a retcon that's unnecessary in this day and age so I hope they leave that out of the MCU entirely), everything involving the Skrulls, and the issues of fucking with Carol Danvers' origins and agency, and everything involving her brother. I hope they find a way to make it work but it's going to require a lot of pragmatic changes that I who lean heavily on the purist side of things will have to just suck up.
>>41654 He could be anything for all we know since they have lots of races going around in GOTG. Between all the other non-skin color related design choices, I'm with the people saying he's probably not Kree this time around.
"I want to manage expectations with respect to Harley Quinn. She was always intended to be an Easter egg. I don’t want people to go in with incorrect expectations and walk away from Episode 16 disappointed. But there is an element to the Easter egg that was not spoiled by the promo, that I think people will find a lot of fun." —Marc Guggenheim
Awww, I wonder if you could just make up a Harley Quinn version to be free of the Bat rights, like how much of her character could you skate around? do they have brooklyn-accent former therapist turned psycho on copyright?
Don't see why not, she had a pretty solid solo career outside of Batman centric things. Roadtripping Harely seeing the sights and getting up to things after breaking off from Joker would be something to see.
I love that the Rogues are now officially the reincarnation of prison break and Supervillains, also in terms of story, character, pacing and the role of the female characters there was a noticeable decline that many of the viewers unfamiliar with the comics were shocked by, but if you read the comics you were already very familiar with these problems as the only difference between this episode and previous ones was an extra cook in the writers kitchen by the name of Geoff Johns.
>>41722 Just think for like a second about how Iris acted in this episode.
Oh wait she didn't. She was looked at longingly for more time than the two sentences she spoke, which is a hallmark of Johns using women as plot devices instead of people.
Think about Barry's interactions with Snow.
Oh wait they exchanged only one scene, like fuck they didn't even have a "are you okay sorry I couldn't help you after you were kidnapped on my behalf."
Like it was okay there was just a noticeable step down from character interaction for BIG DUMB ACTION THINGS CLEARLY JOHNS WROTE.
Think about it like this, Iris was moving out of her extremely protective cop father's house and he said NOTHING to her but had a five minute long conversation with Barry about how it made HIM feel that Iris was moving out in which the only time he mentioned her was to ask Barry what her response to telling her he loves her was? Like just think about how hard you have to not understand female characters to write around them like that especially when in previous episodes these characters are a primary piece of the story with independent agency, what happened to her newfound doubts about the Flash after he almost beat Thom to death? LIKE FUCKSAKE THOM TRIED TO SAVE HIM THIS EPISODE AFTER HE CHOKED UP BLOOD THAT HE'D CATCH AND UNMASK THE FLASH
It just really shows Johns influence in not getting female characters and wanting everyone to ride superheroes dicks regardless of it making sense, I'm just glad that he was in on this one and not one with a lot of story for him to fuck up, because of where the story was at the writers can easily write off the weirdness like Snow's concern about Ronnie is making her more paranoid and less willing to talk and Iris isn't sure what to say to her father or Barry not to mention her relationship with Thom is straining, Thom must have suffered a brain concussion and forgot he thinks The Flash is evil? Just wanted Snart and Rory caught because they roasted cops? etc.
It just REALLY REALLY REALLY shows this is the kind of episode you want Johns on if you have to have him, something action and not dialogue heavy because he's clearly all thumbs at it. Save Johns for villain intros and that sort of thing, mid-season primeres or cliff hangers.
Feels like a great prequel to the Nolan Trilogy but suffers from the same problems. Like pepole feel more like moral mouthpieces then real persons. Going on and on about the "soul" of Gotham and how it can be saved then showing its rotten to the core. Bullshit like that. Still I want to see where it goes.
Also it like the opposite of Arrow when it comes to getting shit done. Going to watch that too now, thanks to Netflix.
Hope they get Flash one day... That looks to be more mine kind of show.
>Not even Oscar-winner Julia Roberts can resist Batkid fever. The actress and producer just closed a deal to adapt Batkid Begins, the Slamdance premiere documentary about the 5-year-old leukemia patient who got his wish to be a superhero granted when thousands of volunteers, and even President Obama, helped turn San Francisco into Gotham City for a day.
>>41799 Oracle Gordon? Hoo boy I can't wait for all the ableism debates to start pouring out of the woodwork. I mean, enough people got upset about Eddie Redmayne doing "ALS blackface" in that Hawking film and so on.
The suit itself is fucking awesome, the helmet is really bad but I think it's temporary or I hope it is.
Still a little bummed he's not gonna shrink and will essentially be street Ironman but here is hoping when/if he gets that spin off he'll have his powers in that.
I think with the helmet it might be an Ollie mask thing, but more on the point of keeping his identity because his exposed face in combo with his being famous is REAL DUMB, though given how close he is to the cops he might try and be the guy that works with them.
So I think they are basically going for Superironman for the Arrowverse.
>>41830 Oh I kinda got a funny image in my head of them being super cheeky with his transformations. "Oh wow look at Beast Boy being a Rhino over there, wow that is AMAZING" Never see it just member reactions.