So I guess the OVA is out now? Anyone seen it yet? Doesn't seem to have hit Crunchyroll or Hulu (both of which tried to same-day the series), so I guess I need to look for a torrent. I assume some sub group has done it already, at least.
>>89590 I really liked the ova. It was a nice send off to the show and the mech part was pretty cool. I kind of wish it didn't reuse animation from previous episodes, although that isn't surprising at this point. I'm a little sad to see the show the go but i think it's time for trigger to move on to newer stuff.
Was nice to see them clean up with the stuff about Hououmaru and address the fact that the Elite Four seems to have gotten off too easy plus we got some good action without having to watch too much of the stupid looking Kamuis. I gotta wonder though, what was the deal of cutting her hair short, if she was gonna let it grow back long and cut it again?
>>89732 I don't object to people criticizing it (assuming it turns out to deserve it), but I find the people who are already preparing to write off Trigger forever based on it tiresome people in general.
Nobody's saying you can’t say negative things about KLK or Imaishi. We’re not that stupid.
But you’d probably be better off trying to build up the things you like instead of bitching about the things you hate. Don't like Trigger or KLK or whatever? Try recommending something else instead of saying "Imaishi sucks".
>>91339 >Try recommending something else instead of saying "Imaishi sucks". Never did say that! KLK sucked but the only reason it sucking matters is because Imaishi was previously good. Trigger Girls seems to be drawing from the KLK well and that doesn't bode well.
Don't just think of it as "Trigger." Think of the individual directors. Like Imaishi for example, we can look at his last Gainax project (P&S) then turn to KLK, and now to Sex and Violence With Machspeed (which I haven't bothered with yet), and then to Trigger girls, and see an arc in his career and interests. It's a pretty grim arc if it follows KLK, but there you go.
But it's not like Trigger is a one man operation by Imaishi. I'm too lazy to look it up but I wouldn't be surprised if Inferno Cop and this Ninja garbage had the same director, and then there's also Turning Girls (didn't watch, probably a different director) and that superpower club thing (ditto). LWA is by Yoh Yoshinari, and it's his baby. I like Yoh, he does good shit and does it in large part either by his lonesome or working on the edge of other's works. If you're worried that every Trigger project ever will be KLK or Inferno Cop, take a closer look at their staff and body of work.
tl;dr don't despair for Trigger, don't watch Ninja Slayer, watch Blood Blockade Battlefront, look forward to LWA2
>>91358 >If you're worried that every Trigger project ever will be KLK or Inferno Cop No. that's exactly what I come to for Trigger and I have no fucking idea what everyone else was expecting. It's like you fucks went to a hardware store and then get offended that they don't sell enough snack food.
>>91361 No. It's not. If you're going by your shitty comparison, it's like saying you enjoy Sasha Grey's occasional acting and then get fucking buttmad about her being a porn star. I'm sorry that not every single studio does your favorite things at all times, but there's other studios offering anime that might be more up your alley. Of course, they don't get the same amount of internet fan hype, so you might not be so inherently drawn to it, because that seems to determine your interest in a studio's work. Otherwise you wouldn't get so goddamn fanny flustered about a studio doing what they initially set out to do, just because it doesn't appeal to you.
>>91362 I would hazard a guess that the reason people might have expected Ninja Slayer to be different is that they advertised a show that looks different. It's one thing to make Inferno Cop, it's another to advertise Redline and then give people Inferno Cop instead.
>>91358 Inferno Cop is brilliant and KlK was okay. TriggerGirls looks like the worst of KlK without the good, and Ninja Slayer is just Inferno Cop with a ton of Japanese in-jokes instead of IC's insane inanity. Trigger gets shat on because it gets compared to Gainax, perhaps unfairly, but it's not unfair to say they're putting out a lot of stuff that doesn't look very good.
>>91367 Oh no I don't hate Inferno Cop, I like it as much as most, what I was saying is that it's a joke that really only works once and seeing them just do it again with Ninja Slayer is lame. And as >>91362 said that it was advertised as an actual show adapting some preexisting source material has REALLY pissed a lot of people off. KLK I also don't particularly HATE (well, I hate parts of it certainly) it's just really subpar work from Imaishi, who I expect better of. I mean you can say he lost the infinite budget of Gainax and that's true, but he's got the stylistic chops to overcome that (as KLK demonstrated at times) and it's not like you need a huge budget for every show anyway. Plus as studio head he has a semi-free hand to do what he wants compared to at Gainax.
Plus even if KLK was as great as TTGL or P&S (And boy it was not), it's always a bit of a letdown to see ANYONE, no matter how talented, go back to the same well over and over unless they REALLY iterate and improve on the execution of it.
But enough whinging on the internet me, time to go watch UBW and BBB.
TTGL doesn't hold a candle to Panty Stocking, but both cast a tremendous shadow over the steaming pile of dogshit that is Kill La Kill. You can tell that supposed KLK fans know this, quick as they are to rush in defense of what is essentially a foam prop in the disguise of a show.
>>91408 Why any of this? They're all spectacle anime. They know what they are and revel in it. Some people like that in specific ways, some don't. What use is there in arguing about it? Especially here of all places.
So much bad blood in this thread. Opinions surrounding Kill La Kill and Trigger are so volatile that even here on /jam/ a shitstorm can stir.
Comparing KLK to TTGL isn't really fair in my opinion, but I see why people draw comparisons. If I had to draw a conclusion from comparing the two I will say one thing: TTGL stands better on the rewatch, while the hype levels serially watching KLK was fun. But I will admit, TTGL was before I started watching anime as it aired in Japan (P&S w/G was my first serial anime watching experience) and that has influenced my view on the subject.
KLK has characters that are developed over the course of the series, TTGL has shitty cardboard cut-outs, 90% who never amount to anything and just spend it fighting for screentime. While Kill La Kill is packed full of boobs and butts TTGL somehow manages to be shallower in the story department. It's only notable because it was the first non-terrible anime for super robot fans in a long time.
I uh. Hate to add fuel to the fire but, like. I do porn comics? And they don't have a readership because of the plot. Just saying.
officially my stance on this is "to each their own but god please leave gurren lagann out of it where does the comparison even come from other than some exchangeable staffers" but its something thats been on my mind either way.
Why is it that story is immediately disregarded because of some sexulaity? A story isn't immediately disregarded because its violent (in fact, there are many instances even on this very board where extreme violence is held up as a positive aspect of how "mature" the story is). Violence and Sex both appeal to the baser desires of humans, so why is it that Violence gets a free pass while Sex gets thrown under the bus?
Because sexualizing a mother raping her daughter is creepy. It'd be one thing if KLK actually was porn but it isn't. Outside of lazy and creepy villain Ragyo there's the broader issue that treating your two main characters purely as sex objects (particularly Ryuko, who is a very weak MC in general) undermines anything else you might be doing.
And even if you just scream all that down with "fucking tumblr sjw baah god my jowls" or whatever you can't deny that the transformed Kamui straight up don't look cool. Their regular forms are fine though.
>>91454 >particularly Ryuko, who is a very weak MC in general She's a shounen style MC. They aren't particularly known for their depth.
The only character I find remotely attractive is Gamagori. And even then he's got those weird ear lobes. I enjoy the series for being creative and energetic. Not for any sexual titillation. It doesn't have to be anything more than a spectacle.
>>91455 You misunderstood what I meant by weak. I mean she constantly is suffering some psychological breakdown and then recovering, sometimes multiple times in one episode. It's far too repetitive for a 2 cour series and completely undermines the ability to even like the character, much less take her seriously.
Who you found attractive isn't relevant, it's what the director is doing that matters, and what they're doing is creepy and immersion breaking.
>>91454 >Because sexualizing a mother raping her daughter is creepy. That scene was clearly *meant* to be creepy and make you uncomfortable. And it sounds like it accomplished that mission. So I'm not sure what you're complaining about here.
>>91454 >the transformed Kamui straight up don't look cool That always came off as the point. That doesn't mean they can't still be sexy to some people, but even the characters in universe talk and make jokes about how fucking stupid the costumes look.
>>91457 >That scene was clearly *meant* to be creepy and make you uncomfortable. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Ragyo is supposed to be evil yes but they're also using her abuse of Satsuki as fanservice. >>91458 Pointing out your mistake doesn't make it not one.
>>91454 >treating your two main characters purely as sex objects This is dumb. Ryuko and Satsuki may not necessarily be particularly deep or interesting characters, but "purely sex objects" is blatant hyperbole.
>>91456 >Who you found attractive isn't relevant But what you think the director found attractive is?
This series simultaneously celebrates and mocks fanservice from every angle. Are people not allowed to enjoy that? Also I don't give a fuck about being immersed so long as I'm being engaged. Is the show believable? Hell no. Is it attention holding and exciting? Hell yes.
I realize this takes a certain level of awareness not everyone on the internet posses, but parody IS a thing. You know that, right? You are aware of parody? Am I just farting gently into the wind?
TTGL was a celebration and a parody of all things Super Mecha. This is obvious to most people. Kill La Kill was a celebration and a parody of Magical Girl Anime. For some reason, folks seem unable to connect the dots on that one, but the transformations into crazy costumes to do battle is kinda a dead giveaway.
>>91463 It's not what I think, it's what he shows (also tells but I won't get into interviews here). Camera angles, tracking shots, character designs. If you aren't going to pay attention to the thing, why even bother debating it?
>>91468 I never made such an assertion and don't really believe that's the reason. I do think a lot of people are just TELLING themselves they like it to preserve Imaishi's track record, because that behavior crops up when a good director makes something shitty.
>>91469 Well then keep telling that to yourself if it makes you sleep better at night. I don't give a shit about Imaishi's reputation because the only other works i've seen of him are Panty and Stocking which I loved and Gurren Lagann which I dropped after episode 5 out of sheer boredom, and I still thought Kill la Kill was hugely entertaining for all of its severe flaws.
>>91471 Okay so what's so good about it and what would YOU say the flaws are? This is the first time I have seen a KLK fan even admit it has any flaws instead of just saying "but it's a paaarody/it's fun!!" and telling me to turn my brain off.
>>91472 You have a very selective memory then. People were just mentioning right above you how Ryuko and Satsuki are shallow characters, and I see fans of the show elsewhere call the plot shit all the time even if it's not something that bothers them. But if you want a serious answer:
+ "it's fun" is a legit reason to like something unless you're one of those "fun is just a buzzword" /v/shitters + lots of "fuck yeah" moments + Satsuki might not be deep but damnit she's still a badass and likeable protagonist + funny + most of the cast are likeable + enjoyable character interactions and heartwarming camaraderie + cute/cool art style and character designs outside of the Kamuis + Sanageyama and Inumuta are hot + bizarre and creative powers + lots of nice Easter Eggs and background details + action is good when they put in the budget + music is good
- Ragyo's motivation is dumb and it's never explained how she even got that way - Ryuko's downright obnoxious sometimes - a lot of potential plot points go nowhere - many of the side characters are underdeveloped or underused (though Gurren Lagann is probably a worse offender) - schizophrenic animation quality - poor music design and lazy usage of the OST - fuck Nui (but that's almost certainly the point) - fuck Mako's brother and father
Now is that a good enough answer for you or are you just going to keep playing the game of moving the goalposts?
>>91476 It's not an unfair point. I love Gurren Lagann, but outside of Simon, Rossiu, Nia, Viral and Lordgenome, everyone was pretty much the same at the end of the series as they were at the beginning. And even Nia, Viral, and Lordgenome's development was minor.
That's not to say they (or the others) were bad or unentertaining characters--not every character has to develop, after all--but you can't really say they had character arcs. Kittan and Kamina were hugely fun to watch, but at no point did they learn anything about themselves or the world.
That's because this whole thing started with someone saying Gurren Lagann and Panty and Stocking were great and Kill la Kill was shit. Naturally from that point on people are going to be using the two for comparison.
I was playing around with my Cardboard headset and used LWA2 to test out watching something in a virtual movie theater, which was pretty rad. As was LWA2 itself, though it comes with the sad realization that now Yoh Yoshinari has to go back into the box again ;_;