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I believe a thread was not made so far.

Go buy it. Then fucking play it. Then come back to talk about it.
I probably should, I see a lot of friends on Steam rave about it.
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Man what a fucking crazy year this has been for video games. Lots of great AAA stuff and indie all around, I certainly didn't expect this and Read Only Memories to come out of nowhere and slip into my 2nd and 3rd place slots.
Played it twice, first Neutral second Pacifist. Both final bosses were 10/10. Short, but well worth the hype in my opinion.
And damn that soundtrack alone is worth the price.
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The characters in this game are all just way too cute and loveable, man.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Friendly reminder to never sell your soul if you plan on replaying to get all the endings.
This game legitimately spooks me. I did the end of the neutral run at about 5 am. And after that I read up on what happens when you re-start and get other endings and I Nope'd out of there.

I do wanna try for a Pacifist run.
What, no do the pacifist run, the rerun punishment is only for if you finished a genocide run (Do Not Do Genocide Runs).
Seriously, Genocide runs are designed to be a pain in the ass. Do not attempt unless you're really patient or a masochist. Pacifist runs are actually only mildly more challenging than because of the health cap, but if you're decent at dodging then it's not that much of a problem.
They're only a pain in the ass because you need to clear the area of enemies deliberately.
Honestly, the game makes you feel like crap for killing all these characters. If you don't feel like crap then the game rewards you by making you feel accomplished by having all the antagonists shake in fear at you and even more so with how the plot progresses.
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Of course you would say that.

I killed her. I had no idea she would spare you if you spare her 5000 times. I simply did not know. HOW COULD I KNOW?!?
The fact she has different dialogue every time you click spare
Mister Twister
Well, regardless, I will have to live with that guilt for the rest of my life. If she didn't want me to kill her might as well not tried to kill ME.
You'll lean why she did what she did And feel worse for it
Mister Twister
If her reason was "humans are the real monsters and you deserve to die", I will be severely disappointed.

And now I will have to finish the game before posting again.
Implying she was actually trying to kill you
Fyi, no it's not.
For most enemies, talking gets the same reaction as sparing if you do it enough. With her it didn't, at least in the demo, and it took a few rounds of sparing for it to stsrt giving different dialoges.
Sharkman Jhones

I was under the impression that you had to choose fight but intentionally flub the attack by not pressing the button again. Either way, it takes some time to stop the fight.
I tried that, and it works as well as sparing, but talking or using items didn't.
But truly, the mystery to me is those carrots.
Ask for a healthy meal
Sharkman Jhones

If you mean how to Mercy/Spare them, it's ACT > Dinner, then grab the green one. It's like Woshua.
You can also just eat them when their health is low enough. For some reason that doesn't count as killing.
Well, I finished my first playthrough with the true ending and now I can't bring myself to play it again.
That's intended.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

So much so that the game calls you out on it if you try to do another playthrough.
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>killing Papyrus
Truly the worst.
Does this guy have his full streams anywhere?
So has anyone figured out the deal behind W.D. Gaster yet?
His whole storyline is out there.
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Hahaha, oh my god.
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Better version.
Ugh, one of the first things on my dash this afternoon was a bunch of drama because some people are adamant that Frisk is canon nonbinary and people who refer to them as "he" or "she" are misgendering them and should go to hell. I'm very certain I remember reading somewhere that Toby Fox said Frisk is supposed to be the same gender as whatever the player is, though. Meaning they can be canonically anything, can't they?

Please tell me this isn't going to be a repeat of the Hanji Zoe drama llama all over again. Sage for wankery.
People like getting mad. If people keep arguing it will keep going until interest fads out, but even then it might not entirely die out.

In summation: the ride never ends.
People identify with the mc. If they argue they're NB the one saying it is likely that as well. Its an exercise in empathy in my experience but I don't think it merits arguing about.
Don't some nonbinary folks still use he or she pronouns out of convenience indifference? What's to say they're necessarily even being misgendered in the first place?
Yeah, exactly. I see their point, but there's more nuance to it which makes the whole X = Y situation silly. Some NB people use gendered pronounces (interchangeably too, sometimes!). Sometimes kids just wanna cause an impression with their social circle than just outright having a discussion on it.
The game is deliberately ambiguous, and people took the deliberate ambiguous as canon representation. Those getting mad over it are the same who insist that Samus is transgender, simply because people will say she's not.
>simply because people will say she's not.
You mean because literally the opposite of that happened. The conflict here is the intent of the dev who said it. As either "lol she's manly because she's a man" or not.

Either way its a valid interpretation and hey, there's no reason it can't be true.
Don't you mean "the same who insist that Samus must be transgender, simply because people can say she is?"
No I mean the same who insist that Samus is transgender simply because they want to fight about it and they know they can get people who will argue.
So how many people listened to Flowey after beating True Pacifist?
Yeah, me. There's no way I could undo that good ending.
I wanted to have a relative play the game on my computer without the New Game+ stuff that shows up. So I just saved the files in a new folder and kept em tucked away thinking "Yeah. They're safe!"

...Its a friggin save file.
Good job, Toby.
Set up separate uiser accounts?
Sharkman Jhones

You can prolly back them up on some external storage or cloud, then just putz around with the registry or game files. I'm sure there's guides on how to do this by now, it's just kinda tough.
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Aww lame, it sounds like he's going back on a lot of his backer rewards.
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Sans is his support. Drops range from useless socks to a range of healing items (burgers, fries, ketchup, spaghetti ("Sans stay out of my section of the fridge") to the rare chance he'll just 'port in and TK smash all opponents off the platform
Sans makes more sense as an Assist Trophy if you ask me. Or maybe Undyne since he's too lazy otherwise.
Heh. He could modify gravity with his blue eye thingie.
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Undertale triggers /v/ SO HARD, I wish I had ban immunity. That way, whenever I'm feeling blue, I could go there and troll the fuck out of them.
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Oh neat, a Sans to go with the Papyrus model.
The game triggers every board on 4chan I think. It got mentioned a few times in a Homestuck thread on /co/ and some people blew up over it. They weren't arguing about keeping it on topic either, just talking shit about the fanbase.

It's popular enough with enough of the right people that 4chan hates it. Is the fanbase really that bad? Like, worse than other fanbases? I really haven't been involved with the fan community for this at all.
4chan is more inappropriately fixated with fanbases than they are creators' sex lives, and that's saying a lot.
No, of course its not a terribad fanbase. Its an ample one, which allows all sorts of content being made. But its obvious they hate anything with more fans outside the site than in.

Its this weird
persecution complex they have.
Mister Twister
The "haters" hate it because it's popular. And because it has quirky (no other word to describe it) humor and nerd references, it gets labeled as "tumblr".

And nothing triggers 4chan more than the mentioning of the word "tumblr".
That's just the flavour of the month/year/coupleofyears though.
Before tumblr it was reddit, before that, livejournal. They'll move on.
Mister Twister
I thought we are them too.
And before that, Gaia Online.
Not enough slinging of the word "cuck" to really call it a shared culture here.
So glad Mootwo introduced the new word filter.
Mister Twister
I see +4chan as situated in the same 4chan Country, just in an area with a milder climate.
Sleepy Mountain Town, that people drop by for the brothel
I liked it more when it was this
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Do people really find it to be that difficult of a boss? I'm not trying to show off my e-peen or anything but I didn't have a hard time against him.

I kind of want to do a genocide run so I can fight sans since he looks like the toughest opponent in the game, but I also don't because, y'know, it'd be a genocide run.
He's really not THAT difficult. Most of the challenge comes from the surprise attacks he tries to pull on you. Once you figure things out, it's pretty easy to muscle memory it.
>I see +4chan as situated in the same 4chan Country, just in an area with a milder climate.
I think it's more of a Venn diagram thing. It's cool that lots of people on here are keyed into 4chan and the content that arises from it, but for those of us who've sworn off the place it's nice to have a paddling-pool alternative we can swim in.
Looks like it got popular enough for /v/ to hate/shitpost about it.
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Heh, beating Super Mario World on GameFAQs' shitty poll will do that to a game.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

It won? HAH!

I believe it’s going up against Pokémon in the next round, though, so…yeah, good run, Undertale!
I was actually pretty surprised by that.

I kind of stay out of the whole 'internet culture' thing these days, especially for videogames. Is Undertale actually that popular? I had no idea.

I mean, this really just shows it's more popular than Mario World with the GameFAQs demographic, but that's still nothing to sneeze at.
Nah, it's not popular with the GameFAQs demographic or else the site and /v/ wouldn't be full of people bitching about an "SJW" game winning. Most of it is because it's new and the people into it are more social media savvy. As a GameFAQs moderator pointed out a lot of the traffic came from places like Reddit (and most likely Tumblr). Surprisingly little botting involved while everyone else (including even the rest of 4Chan) laughs at them. SMW might be the better game overall but it's not necessarily even considered the best in its series and the people old enough to love it probably don't care for these kinds of polls in general.
I just googled "Asgore" because the part where he takes out his trident is great, especially with that theme and the fanbase really does look awful (and by awful I mean it looks like it really got to the 12-17 demographic).

But if people don't like media based on fans I don't know how anyone likes anything
>But if people don't like media based on fans I don't know how anyone likes anything
Then why tell us your sick Google story at all?
Shit, for some reason I didn't include the question in there--I meant to ask if that's why some people ended up not liking the game. I'm not in the loop since I don't browse /v/ or tumblr and was curious. Sorry about that
Undertale attracts a pretty wide demographic. Naturally there's going to be the annoying kind of fans but pretty much anyone with decent motor skills can enjoy it, veterans and "casual" gamers alike. People are just mad that it's not catering purely to them.
/v/ dislikes it because it's popular, especially on Tumblr. That is the beginning and the end of it.
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It took me a while to figure out, too, but when it specifically said "You can't run away" when you turn green and then I noticed she was turning me red again for certain attacks, it became clear. It was subtle, but the game *was* giving you all the clues you needed to put that together.
Mister Twister
You used a guide, didn't you?
No. The clues are there in-game. This wasn't a "Guide Dang It" moment as TV Tropes would put it.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
>You used a guide, didn't you?
I figured it out on my own on about the third try.
Mister Twister
Alright, you are a smart cookie.
No, you are just an idiot.
Sharkman Jhones
I figured it out on accident. I started sparing her through the whole fight because it skipped dialogue faster than the attack or act buttons would.

Then I saw that it was an option and it clicked.
Plus, once her dialog started repeating it became clear that just spamming "Mercy" wasn't the key the way it had been with other bosses.
Mister Twister
Remind me to not compliment you next time.
What's with all the people calling themselves "kin" and claiming they're literally the Undertale characters in this life? And not even in an RP way, a lot of Undertale artists on Tumblr are starting to put notes on their blogs telling people not to call themselves character-kin when they reblog. I thought this was a fad that died a year or two ago when Homestuck was still new. But now it seems to be coming back in full force.
>What's with all the people calling themselves "kin" and claiming they're literally the Undertale characters in this life?
This happens with a lot of things that get popular with Tumblr. Just let it pass and enjoy it try to enjoy the good fan content. Or just try to ignore it altogether.

That being said, do you have any links to said people? I'm curious to see what they're like.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Tumblrinas gonna Tumbl. Not much you can do about it but smile, nod, and learn how to block such posts via New X-Kit or Tumblr Savior.
But it was Anonymous who called you an idiot, not thatother1dude.
Mister Twister
I guess the time has finally come for me to confess.

I almost never read the posting name, just the post.
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Not going to post the URL but have an example of one.
Mister Twister
>basic facts
Isn't it hypocritical for supporters of postmodernism to toss around words like "fact"?
A gay
Yeah. Just seems like a common deviant art teen. Just let them burn themselves out.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

>Just let them burn themselves out.

Pretty much the best tactic possible. A lot of the people doing this are either teens or in their very early twenties; if they’re still doing this shit in a decade, they’re either socially maladjusted to the point where nothing can fix them, mentally unstable, or some weird combination of the two. (And yes, as someone who has been “Sage Freehaven” for essentially the past 15 years, I’m well aware of the irony in my statement.)
Wait, THE Freehaven? Goddamnit Mr. Stone.
Really the only reaction one should have to Tumblr doing something silly/stupid is to laugh at them, maybe while pointing.
I don't get letting a stupid fanbase paint your opinion of a thing. Internet's pretty big, it's not too hard to ignore such a small piece of it if it bothers you.
>About four years old
I haven't seen that one. How does THAT work?
Probably under the assumption that Chara themself is supposed to be four years old, which is strange in and of itself.
Sharkman Jhones

I always pictured Frisk, the fallen child, and Asriel to all be around 9-ish years old or at least physically around there, maybe 12 at the oldest...also I misread "Mister Clever" as Master Chief at first and was disappointed to find the truth.
>I picture Frisk as a girl

Tumblrites gonna tumble, I guess.
Frisk is deliberately ambiguous so the viewer can project what they like, and you shouldn't care about this.
Who are you talking to.

Frisk is ungendered for the benefit of the player. That includes NB, Trans, Genderfluid or whatnot. If someone's being a dick about it, that's that, but you can't reasonably argue any interpretation is essentially wrong.
Sharkman Jhones

In my experience, there's a lot of people who decided to be dicks about it. Like a lot.
If you believe that anon is complaining because he was attacked for seeing Frisk as a girl and not for other reasons, I have a bridge to sell you.
This: >>198549

If you decide that Frisk is a female or even a male sometimes, people will jump down your throat. They'll do the same thing if you say Mettaton is a male.
>They'll do the same thing if you say Mettaton is a male.

I doubt that. I've seen Tumblr, they're quite happy to accept Mettaton as male--because it makes him transgendered. Ghosts are referred to with gender neutral pronouns, including past-Mettaton when he was just a ghost and not a ghost in a robot, and his journal even specifically talks about feeling more himself than ever now that he has a body. That sort of thing is very sympathetic to the socially liberal side of Tumblr, especially since it doesn't erase non binary characters since they still have Napstablook and Frisk and Chara to embrace as NB.
Ok, that's not what I meant.

What I meant to say is that, it's fairly obvious that Mettaton is a play on the "feminine man dancer" character archetype commonly found in anime and the like. I highly doubt that he's intentionally "transgender" and I also doubt Toby Fox was following some kind of agenda when creating the characters.
I'm not saying Toby was following an agenda, but it's pretty unquestionable that Mettaton is a different gender when we see him than he was in his backstory. His pronouns changed in-universe.
>What I meant to say is that, it's fairly obvious that
That is your interpretation. Mettaton as a transgender narrative fits fairly simply to a lot of people.
Does character variety have to be an "agenda?"
Unfortunately yes.
Hm, I disagree. Character variety is good, and believing it is some kind of conspiracy is unhealthy.
>Unfortunately yes.
He's a Homestuck, dude. Exploring species and societies with alternative takes on gender and sexuality is bread and butter for Homestucks. There doesn't have to be an agenda to make them want to ask "what if?" It's a Science Fiction staple. You've just become oversensitive to it by hanging out on 4chan too much and thinking everything is about choosing sides between /b/ and tumblr.
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He's probably not literally transgender, but his backstory lays on the subtext extremely strongly in the same way X-Men can act as an allegory for a lot of things. There's enough ambiguity that neither belief is unreasonable. It's different from people claiming that Papyrus or Sans are trans, for example. And yes there is plenty of that, though I haven't seen anybody who does get mean about it yet.

It's only when people insist that he must be 100% transgender because of things like his former house being full of pink, therefore he MUST have been coded as female as opposed to feminine male or no-gender (because a lot of these supposedly open-minded people sure love reinforcing old-fashioned Eurocentric gender roles) and anyone who disagrees is necessarily transphobic, that it gets really fucked up.

Nah, I've seen people who get aggressive towards people for gendering Frisk according to the binary in fanart, or for failing to tag their art/fic with a warning for giving Frisk a gender, or using female/male instead of dfab/dmab with neutral pronouns. It's not just people personally headcanoning Frisk as NB/trans which is perfectly fine, it's people legit going out of their way to attack others for the crime of having different opinions. But this kind of thing (harassing complete strangers for having different headcanons, even if they're not bothering anyone, instead of everybody being a gray blob hivemind) is a universal problem with not just the Undertale fandom or even social justice issues but Tumblr's userbase in general.
Sharkman Jhones

No, I know that Anon was prolly just venting or complaining, I was just making an offhand comment. Some people really do get this massive bug up their ass about referring to Frisk as he or she and they get all "ugh, get this garbage off my dash," and talking about "erasure" and my favorite "why do you hate non binary people?! Why do you wanna take this away?!"

It's dumb. Luckily, it's usually just a matter of doing something else. That junk's as easy to find as it is to ignore.
>Undertale beat Pokemon in the GameFAQs polls
Oh wow.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Holy shit, I thought it didn’t have a chance in hell of beating Pokémon.

But no matter. Even if Pokémon had won, it wouldn’t have beaten Super Mario 64; Undertale stands even less of a chance against that certified masterpiece.
That is literally what everyone said when it went up against Pokeman.
The thing about the classics is that they don't tend to bring out the passionate voting blocks that new games do. I don't necessarily think Undertale is a better game than Mario 64, or even--in the cosmic timescale--more popular. But I think Undertale has a shot of beating it, at least this year. Popularity ebbs and flows, and Undertale is at the peak of its popularity right now while Mario 64--much like Pokemon RBY and Fallout 3--has settled into the comfortable area of nostalgia popularity.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Eh, Pokémon was an edge case—despite its popularity as a franchise, the original games aren’t industry-changers on the level of SM64. And as >>198574 says, the older Pokémon games have hit that “nostalgia popularity” level, and Undertale is in the peak of its popularity (I’m sure there are groups ready to go for the SM64 “battle”). A victory for Undertale against SM64 is at least somewhat probable, given the win over Pokémon.

But if it wins there, it’ll have to go up against either Melee or (more likely) FF7. And if—IF—Undertale pulls out a miracle there and makes it to the final, it will likely be going up against a Zelda game (my money would be on Ocarina of Time). The chances of Undertale winning that poll would be even worse than the chances of it beating SM64. And if the truly improbable (Undertale wins the whole damn thing) comes to pass, everyone pissed about the poll will write the result off as little more than recency bias (based on Undertale being one of the newer games in the tournament) combined with "coordinated campaigns" to stack the deck in Undertale's favor, making this whole thing even more worthless than it already is.
Politics Thread: The Liberal Agenda Edition
I care so much about this Gamefaqs' poll you guys
People who get this upset about a shitty Internet poll are hilarious. I don't care whether Undertale wins or loses beyond this point. It's just funny to see /v/ and GameFAQs users get mad.
>making this whole thing even more worthless than it already is.
It is not possible for something to be more worthless than "Internet Popularity Poll for Video Games."
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Three words: furry fandom popularity.
Sharkman Jhones

If you're an artist or you sell something, that can at least net you some money. This is more like...man, I got nothing.
A gay
Hey man. I can make decent bank on that racket.
And get some nice pics to if I do say so.
Where do you post your stuff?
A gay
It's on FA. It's mostly bara transformation stuff though. Very spesific fetish.
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I think I waifu'd Papyrus for real. What do.
Live out the remainder of your days in deep longing and shame.

Alternatively, rob a grave and dress up the skeleton like Papyrus. He shall keep you company on those lonely nights.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

I’d remember the most important thing: more than one waifu will ruin your laifu.
Consider calling him 'your husbando'. Don't sound like one of those people that just call 'a girl/character I like' or 'favorite girl/character from a series' their waifu.
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>not "bonely"
In that case wouldn't he be my husbonedo?
Undertale just beat Mario 64 in the GameFAQs poll, and its next round is the Semifinals against Super Smash Bros. Melee. Chances are if it makes it to the Finals it will have to beat either Ocarina of Time or Link to the Past, though it's possible it'll face Mario RPG or Metal Gear Solid 3 instead.
The GameFAQs poll is fucking stupid.
A gay
Agreed. But it's a little entertaining to watch the reactions surrounding it.
Some people take it far far too seriously.
At that point I don't care who wins as long as it's not OoT.
I'll be voting OoT just for you then.
Undertale is beating Melee, holy shit.
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Hey guys, just wanna make a note here. I was one of the first people to play the game as soon as it came out, but call me slowpoke (No, not you, Justice); I usually don't go around looking for dicussions on everything, really, much less with those toxic parts of pretty much every fandom going around, so I don't know if people already considered this.

I don't know how many of you named the "fallen child" after your own name, thinking the the "fallen child" was the same child you play at first, and also the usual "why not? let's be in this story", only to find out later at the game that you were the pure representation of evil, game-wise, in consequence as how a player usually does many runs, resetting the game's progress, taking what one would call "bad routes" for trivial reasons and what not, only for amusement. This, of course, came to the mind of a lot of people shortly later after reaching this point, so nothing new from that part.
However, I felt there was still something missing, because you see, the characters (sans and asriel, overall) pretty much always reminded you of your "being" regardless the route you would choose. I think the pacifist route is the worst at hitting you in this spot, because they would always talk about the "fallen child" as the freaking devil itself, but as "frisk" as a goddamn messiah; so you as the player, thinking that you were leading "frisk" to a pacifist run, taking the best possible actions with the best possible results, only to find out none of these merits belonged to you, but frisk. You felt left out, excluded, with no love, and possibly jealous. I don't know you, but despite never making a genocide route, the true ending was rather bittersweet for me for this reason.

Which leads me to think, is Toby toying with us in this matter? Could this be part of something involving the player as well in the future? Possible awesome update saving the "fallen child", too? That would be too good to happen, maybe I'm just overthinking it, but certainly awesome, though.
The Fallen Child is only really spoken of as though he were "the devil" in the genocide route, when they (i.e. you) are urging Frisk to muder everyone. The Pacifist route only acknowledged that they might not have been "the best" person, but also that it seemed they were trying to escape from something pretty trying, and that likely contributed to their not-quite-as-messianic-as-Frisk attitude.

But it's become a popular theory within the fandom that the Fallen Child's attitude does reflect your own, and that in the Pacifist run, they really *are* redeemed in the same way that Frisk was. Because it was their memories and their affection for Asriel that reached out and saved Asriel, not Frisk's own--as Frisk had never met Asriel other than in his Flowey form. They might believe in the inherent redeemability of Asriel, but it was the Chara in Frisk that got through to Asriel.

isnt it wild
the game was basically
"the first goombah in Mario Bros is the final boss as a fucking cthulu demon"
"literally every other 'enemy' in the game is actually pretty cool with you?"
Mister Twister
"Trying to murder me" is not what I would consider "being cool with me".
Very few of them are trying to murder you. It's pretty much just Undyne, Flowey, and Asgore. Unless you're on a genocide run.
Snow Drake just wanted to test out his snow puns. Vegetoid wanted to feed you! The little volcano guy thought his lava was for healing!
Woshua just wanted you to wosh u face!

Temmie just got over excited because you were so cute and she wanted to pet you! And you're allergic! And she is also allergic!
The guys in the CORE too.

Aaron just wants to flex! And Tsundereplane is... tsundere for you.
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>Undertale actually won the whole GameFAQs poll
>and without botting either
Hehehe. Well that was fun.
Alphys is that pile everyone is sleeping on.
>without botting
I find this hard to believe that an internet poll doesn't have both side botting it to hell and back. Especially one as popular as GameFAQs.
Don't have the link but one of the mods actually made a post about this. According to them a chunk of the Melee votes were botted and excised, but the Undertale votes were legit and that most of the referrals for Undertale didn't even come from Tumblr like all the antifags claimed but from Reddit.
It's possible they were full of shit and just trying to spite the userbase though. If I had to mod them so would I.
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. . . I am talking to 2 prostitutes :|

. . . . .

This is a kids' game, right?
No not really, though the Mother series isn't either. Games are weird that way.
They're also not prostitutes.
I thought they were valley girls or scene girls.
They're valley girl black market peddlers.
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Why do you think they are prostitutes? And makes you think that Undertale is a kid's game?
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
>[what] makes you think that Undertale is a kid's game?
I think Fox has said the game was meant to be mostly family-friendly. Even if there's creepy stuff, there's little in the way of graphic violence or profanity.
Counterpoint, Twister is an idiot.
I don't know why he would say that. There are a couple instances of blood, one blatant screamer, and the entirety of one of the final bosses. That plus the general immersion of the player to the point of extending into the real world would've given me nightmares as a kid, and possibly actually scarred me. I suppose if you do a true ending run it's pretty family-friendly, but I certainly can't say that about the other paths.
Earthbound was for kids and it had Giygas.
I would've been creeped out by Giygas, but not "scared to turn on the game" creeped out. Plus Earthbound came out at a time when the ESRB was not yet mature, games weren't considered art, and the idea of Nintendo releasing a game that wasn't all-ages appropriate was just plain poppycock.

Had Undertale been rated it would've been rated T, at the very least.
Yeah, just like Land Before Time is only for teenagers because it has scary and sad moments.
You just are totally incapable of not strawmanning, aren't you?
Nice argumental response. You're doing all the work showing complete incomprehension at the concept of an analogy.
I'd say the comparison is pretty apt, honestly.

I can't think of any games that were rated T, M or AO just because they were scary. It's just that scary games usually have violence or sexual imagery or something, so they get a higher rating. If you can think of any exceptions feel free to say so.

I'm not trying to be controversial or anything, just scatterblasting my thoughts. Sorry if I came off as rude.
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Well in euro we have this.
Slender: The Arrival is rated T just because it's scary. ESRB claims "blood and violence" but there actually is none in the game. Fatal Frame is similarly rated T: a few ghosts have a bit of black&white blood on them, but besides that there's no actual gore or even any violence towards the player.
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I think I see a pattern. Does Papyrus have a thing for dangerous girls with eye-patches? Vriska X Papyrus confirmed???
If anything Papyrus's tastes lean towards robots.
Do Papyrus or Mettaton ever have a single line referencing each other?
If you call Papyrus he has a bunch where he fanboys over Mettaton and it's implied he has a crush on him. Aside from that all that happens is Mettaton's leg shows up near the end and Papyrus gawks over it.
Sharkman Jhones

He refers to him as his "Favorite Sexy Rectangle" once, though, it's literally the only line about him far as I can tell.
There's a few others where he admires Mettaton's bishie eyes or changes his mind on Hotland because he finds out Mettaton is there.
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In memory of real life Mettaton.
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Is anti-pedophilia the big new SJ rage of the moment? Within the last month I've seen artists from at least three nonoverlapping fandoms besides this one get harassed and forced to quit drawing altogether for supposed pedophilia because they drew innocuous shipping fanart, even when they always aged up the child characters or just portrayed it as a one-sided crush.

Ironically the people who get it the hardest and get sent the nastiest most overtly hateful comments by far are always East Asian. Even white people, the more obvious target, usually get a few passive aggressive comments or "wtf you doing" but then it kinda stops. But with the East Asian artists, even when they do apologize they continue to get hatemail for days. A few of them actually quit drawing altogether which is fucking awful because they literally didn't even do anything wrong in the first place.
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For context, the thing she got in trouble for drawing.

Its been around for awhile. Its the current SJW button issue. Though the racism seems to be a new wrinkle.

Really don't know why it became an issue. Did some SJW Bastion get outed as an actual pedophile so they are now having to prove super hard they aren't?

The threats they made to Foundry that influenced their change still irk me "Stop hosting that are or we'll call the cops."
it was advertisers, though. trust me on this one. i promise its that.
well yea same with paheal. Just saying those threatening to out the site and those that posted there to the feds didn't help things.
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Yeah but that's porn, which I kinda get even if I personally disagree strongly. But people are getting attacked for fucking G-rated stuff. People are literally getting told to they should burn in hell over fucking chibis and pecks on the cheek, some of the tamest shit ever.
I suspect it's not racism per se, so much as these people are on a giant power trip and are intentionally going after people who they know don't have as good a command of English and therefore can't defend themselves so easily. I've seen similar stuff happen to Japanese artists regarding (usually spurious) claims of whitewashing back when Homestuck and Attack on Titan were still big, not helped by the fact that Japan doesn't have the same perspective on racial dynamics that the Americas do.

Thinking about it I guess it still does count as a sort of racism when you consider it's essentially targeting a particular ethnic group specifically because they're easier to bully.
Please, tell us more of your time in The Great SJW War, it's so incredibly interesting
I'm not the one calling them that. Besides if anything these kinds of people who are more interested in starting fights for the sake of it than social change are who the term was coined for in its original sense, before it coopted by people not already inside the SJ sphere.
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It's a damn shame. tumblr can be really toxic when it feels like it, which I feel is more and more frequent as time passes.

Have a cute cool leg Temmie~
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Cool Leg be Cool
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tEMMIE study abrodd!!!!
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Temmie be top grade
Mister Twister
>search Tümbler for some nice Bratty and Catty fanart
>find some nice stuff
>keep scrolling down
>these characters are gay deal with it!
>close tab
Thanks for the Twister Life Update
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Here is a place more your speed you can go.
Everyone's ready to hate Twister these days since he outed himself as a #gg true believer, but I hated him before it was cool, when he was just making experimental shitposts about Sly Cooper.
I honestly think Twister's obviously and unbashedly contrarian shitposting is kinda cute sometimes.
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Funny how this thread went from Temmie to MT discussion, which I find funny as I feel MT is kinda like a shitposting version of Temmie.
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I am also a creationist, terrorist, and armchair penguin rights activist.

You forgot those things.
Mister Twister
Well, he finally done it:
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Sort of. I was wondering why he didn't review it, and his reasoning for doing so is pretty sound. He wrote an Extra Punctuation column about it at least.
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I know I posted one of these before, but I just want to share all these sweet remixes in the same post. And also these sweet wallpapers. imgur link because TOO BIG
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very neat animation
Mister Twister
Being stuck at the final boss, I noticed this game does not have dynamic difficulty tuning.

God bless Toby. Dynamic difficulty tuning is for faggots.
Merch previews are out.
They look cute, but I was hoping for the plushes and statues to be a little more high quality.
Another fine post by Twister Inc
DudeWithMoney !SFwR6DnH/Y
Finished neutral route today. Then restarted and did a pacifist/true ending run. Stopped only to eat.

What a fucking game. This is a beautiful fucking game.
Yeah, it's pretty great.

I'm still not tired of the soundtrack.
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I forgot to mention that this videos mistake of Papyrus being a Starman is a really sad mistake of not enough research or remembering that Papyrus's costume is just that, a costume. I also don't know what to think about the theory of Sans's being Ness is 100% legit, but I'm willing to except that Undertale exists in the Earthbound/Mother.
Game Theory's always been garbage. When he made a bullshit theory about FNAF he blamed the game itself for being wrong for not agreeing with his theory.
He once wrote this big dumb video about Bayo and showed it to Kamiya, who told him to fuck off.

He also streamed his wedding and walked away from the alter at one point to fuss with the camera.
He had actually been good with FNAF up to that point, too. Maybe it wasn't game-accurate always but at the very least made for entertaining watches.
But when he started going all "Scott Cawthon, you fucked up hahah. Wait what do you mean I got some facts wrong? Nice try, but no, I'm right." he just up and lost that bit of cred with a whoooole bunch of people.
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>wake up
>see this
Wat do?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Pray to whatever gods will listen.
It fills you with D E T E R M I N A T I O N.
The only correct answer.
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

>that Toriel description

Yes. So much yes.
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The amount of ignorance in the comments section is overwhelming.
Mister Twister
That video did NOT waste my time.
Your time is inherently worthless.
Worthless things can still be wasted, pennies still exist afterall.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

So is yours, in the grand scheme of existence.
please do not defend Mr Twister
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

I will defend who I wish, when I wish, on whatever terms I wish. If you don’t like it, you can go pound sand.
Someone isn't familiar with Twister.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Please re-read >>199213
There's such a thing as a fight not worth having, and one such fight is defending the weird, openly homophobic shitposter.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

And there’s such a thing as you not having the authority to tell me what the fuck I can or cannot do, so you’d be better off fellating an inanimate carbon rod right now.

Now, can someone post some funny Undertale art to get this thread back on track, please?
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Got myself a free simple MIDI player for MacOS. Listening to the MIDI files, PIANO ONLY, with occasional notes missing (instruments not in database) is an experience everyone should have at least once.
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Anyone planning on getting one of these? Was hoping for something more 1:1 with the game sprites.
Mister Twister
While I like the idea of figurines, especially well made ones, whenever I get free money I spend it all on rare media.

30$ on a figure is a missed chance to buy an album that may have only one copy left online.
Warframe General Thread

I'd prolly buy LesserDog or Papyrus. Sans I think feels played out.
Mister Twister
Would you go as far as to say that out of your love for him only a skeleton remains?
Same. The San, Toriel, and Human ones look a little strange, but the Lesser Dog and Papyrus ones are adorable.
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I can listen to Snowden's theme on loop for a long long time. I may get tired of it, but I will never not love it:
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(God damn it, my name was set to the Warframe thread title.)


He just feels overused in fanart. I think he's pretty rad in-game, he's interesting! But if I gotta see one more fucking blue eye bullshit, Mercy/Fight-button-duality Gaster-Blaster-worshipping Oncler-fandom level-bone-zone-heaping-helping-of-fuck piece of fanart again, I'll eat my own arms.
I know that feeling on the fanfic side. The times I tried looking for what if stories and the like all I could see for miles on end was Sans x Reader (usually female or close enough and unbelievably bad) or weird ABOverse fetish stories about Sans being "in heat". It's awful.
You know what confuses me about Sans fanart? The enormous amount of fat fetish stuff. I've seen my share of guys will admit to having a thing for chubby girls, or artists who cater to those tastes. But until now I've never seen women express an interest in chubby men or fattening ever until now. Just other (gay/bi) men. But apparently it's not an interest that sprung up overnight, so where have all these people been hiding until now?
Fandom and Fan are terms derived from the word "Fanatic".
Wow. I just googled ABOverse. http://fanlore.org/wiki/Alpha/Beta/Omega I am now reminded of Pon Farr.
You obviously were not involved deeply in the Homestuck fandom.
What happened with Homestuck?
I remember on Deviantart someone invented a fantasy race called jams, which were well designed in my opinion. It's a hive species where the males get super bloating collecting food, which, if I remember correctly, they can later dispense through their tails. Though by making the females rare they ensured that most OC fan art revolved around them, because rare occurances are how you get cheap plot hooks.

On /co/? Pretty much anything disgusting that could manage to not get immediately deleted.
Annendum to >>199262
On a wordplay level, I can totally get people gathering around the idea of Sans as "nothing but fat and bones".
I wasn't, elaborate? Only stuff I know is general wankery that leaked into other fandoms, especially of the kind that resulted in incidents similar to that Steven Universe kerfluffle but on a regular basis.
Speaking of which I saw this a while which I thought was funny and relevant.
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The funny thing about fandoms is that they used to be fan clubs made by fans for themselves, and you would not be a member unless you were allowed in by existing members. If the fanclub did not like you, you weren't allowed to become a member. You could be a fan, and yet not be in the fandom.

Nowadays, the distinction between "fandom" and "fanbase" is almost non-existent, since anyone could proclaim him/herself to be a member of any fandom, and that would be the end of it. Fandoms are no longer dictatorships under fandom leaders, and in the democratized Internets there are no filters anymore.

Original (older) definitions:
– Fanbase = all of the fans
– Fandom = a fan club/organization

/small derail
Twister's Historiography
I don't understand this new trend of not being able to enjoy a game based on either the community, or the person who made it.

It's like saying Fez is a shitty game just because Phil Fish is a horrible person.
>he doesn't like the japanese games industry! He's RACIST!
If only I could find an acronym for people who talk like this...
Mister Twister
Combine attention whore and troll into one, and you get the word.
I'm guessing it's partly a lack of distinction between wanting to play the game and wanting to fund the developer? Even if you could get a game for free, by playing it and sharing an opinion based on that you draw more attention to the game, which could get someone else to get the game by paying for it later. Though from there it probably just turned into a popular trend, like how avoiding anything with a major record label deal probably started with people who didn't like the business ethics of those labels but was picked up by peolpe who just thought it was just the cool thing to do.

Though that doesn't cover the community, which I guess is just due to people not liking the idea of not being able to easily talk about a game they play without attracting a bunch of people who annoy them.
Sharkman Jhones

Personally, I still love the game and have been working on this big nonsense fan-comic of it for a while now. I just also have to make peace with the fact that people won't like it based on the fact that I'm making the Protagonist an adult male or whatever other reason they decide is reason enough.
But it's not like you not funding the developer is going to keep him from being an asshole. Not wanting to give the dev money only makes sense if the dev uses shady exploitative business practices like EA.
No, it's perfectly fair to not want to give money to an asshole.
Why? It doesn't affect your enjoyment of the products they put out. 10 years ago nobody would've given two fucks if the developer was an asshole.
It actually totally does. I loved Earthworm Jim and Neverhood as a kid, but those games are tainted by association because their creator literally supports taking my rights away from me. He's lost that fight of course but I'm not going to give him my money by buying Armikrog.
>10 years ago nobody would've given two fucks
-about a lot of things people care about now because the interest of the populace changes over time.
You can enjoy a thing and still dislike its creator. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. I love Beck's music, but would never give him my money, because he's with Scientology. And in this day and age I don't have to to be able to listen to his music.
Wait, let me get some charts from the irc that PROVE you're totally wrong
It's not however perfectly fair to enjoy the fruits of that asshole's labor if you decide not to give them money. You are not entitled to free games just because you can bullshit up a political excuse for why it's okay. Like >>199281
for example is a pretty perfect example of entitled bullshit from someone who wants to pretend like he has principles but really just wants to get free shit.

Piracy is not boycotting, it's just you being a little shit.
DudeWithMoney !SFwR6DnH/Y

Oh, cry us all a river.
I thought being a dick with a 12 year old's lexicon and a trip at the same time was Twister's schtick.
Usually you types like to save face, or at least wank with your pinky up.
DudeWithMoney !SFwR6DnH/Y

I'm not particularly concerned with the opinion of someone who thinks that trying to shame people online for internet piracy in the post-Napster era is a productive use of their time.

It's not even really about piracy here Dude, if you look at the stuff he's saying
the #gg becomes really obvious.
Mister Twister
It appears to me posters who prefer to hide behind anonymity are the ones more prone to trolling.

#NotAllAnons of course, many of you are really cool.

You're such a shit twister.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
That's really cool. Guess he's trying to avoid what happened to Hussie.
You will never shut up, will you?
T4 was here
Gods I love stupid bullshit.
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I think Undertale's unwarranted hate comes from the fact that gamers are so used to companies spending tons of money on advertising to spread the word about their product that they're uncomfortable with the same result coming from simple word-of-mouth and user-generated content like all the memes you see on Tumblr.
To be fair, as someone who occasionally makes Undertale fandom content and therefore has to interact with the fanbase semiregularly, large parts of it truly are quite insufferable. But that has more to do with it inheriting a lot of the infamously awful Homestuck fanbase because of Toby Fox as well as Tumblr culture in general than any particular fault of the game itself.
Mister Twister
I used to despise Homestuck as a bad bad thing because everybody hated it and it looked weird.

But now, knowing Toby was a part of it, I might read it someday.
Homestuck and Undertale were inspired by some of the same things, so they have stuff in common. I'd say they're pretty similar in tone, in that even when it's an important moment there's almost always a joke or at least some kind of humorous undertone. And they both toy with their medium a lot, I'd say Homestuck does it even more than Undertale does.

It's pretty fucking long at this point.
Homestuck also went so far up its own fucking ass at some point that it became unbearable.
From what I hear the earlier parts are not bad, but everything close to and after the gigapause is terrible.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

This is the best Toriel cosplay I’ve seen to date.
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Somehow not creepy, despite original RL human eyes being kept. Also, creative use of white shoes.
This is why I don't believe anybody when they say the Undertale fandom is filled with creepy furries and shit like that. You'd expect this to be a fursuit, but it's not.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

I've seen a couple of Toriel fursuits. They're pretty good, too. But that Toriel cosplay is on a whole other level.
Mister Twister
She is still wearing a mask and gloves, so you can actually still say it's a für soot.
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There's actually a fair number of fursuiters out there for it, it's just that there's so much for everything else that they're harder to spot, and as far as I can tell they're not particularly batshit compared to other furry-friendly fandoms. Mostly because it seems like Sans fans absorbed all the local /d/eviance.
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I have a lot worse than that saved to my folder of cringe.
So, do you just go out looking for people's weird fetish junk?
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I sure as hell use to. It makes for good conversation starters and can scare off the normies.
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I'm glad this one was not as bad as the Game Theory video.
Mister Twister
Test to see what is the bump limit.
Its 300, MT. That also includes the 3 posts that are shown below the thread.
Mister Twister
Please call me anon. And feel free to make another thread if you think there is any material to post in it.
You shouldn't be namefaging if you want to be called anon.

I'm uncertain about another thread at the moment. I really don't feel that 2nd thread will have enough to talk about.
Mister Twister
Well, we're all anons here. Namefagging is simply to ease communication and minimize trolling, which forced anonymous inevitably brings.
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>we're all anons here.
Obviously not, as there are namefags and tripfags. Please stop projecting your opinions and ideas onto others.
>Namefagging is simply to ease communication
Yes, but posters still have the option to remain anonymous. But it also allows posters to stand out and/or attach a personality to their posts, or a myriad of other reasons.
>and minimize trolling
That doesn't stop you.
>which forced anonymous inevitably brings.
How is that even relevant to the discussion? Name/tripfaging is an option here, as it is on 4chan proper, unlike it is on more traditional forums.

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1680266973.044301 - 0.001336 (0.000006s): kobak\current: finished validating prerequisites

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1680266973.044371 - 0.001406 (0.000051s): kobak\ban: query: querying posts

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1680266973.067355 - 0.024390 (0.000030s): kobak\thread: query: finished.

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1680266973.067489 - 0.024524 (0.000007s): kobak\current: setting up per-page HTML vars

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1680266973.09490500: end

SQL statistics:

time taken: 0.00066400 SELECT *, ( SELECT GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT `kobaboardban`.`boardid` ORDER BY `kobaboardban`.`boardid` SEPARATOR ',') FROM `kobaboardban` WHERE `banid` = `id` GROUP BY `banid` ) AS `active_boards` FROM `kobaban` WHERE ( (`iplong1` = '03eefa49') OR (`iplong1` <= '03eefa49' AND '03eefa49' <= `iplong2`) ) AND `type` IN(-1,0,1,2,3) AND (`id` IN ( SELECT `banid` FROM `kobaboardban` WHERE `boardid` IN(3) ) OR `global` = 1) ORDER BY `type`,`expiration` DESC no rows found or affected (prepared query)
time taken: 0.01289296 SELECT p.*, r.time r_time, r.reason r_reason, r.ipmd5 r_ipmd5, r.ipcrypt r_ipcrypt, r.password r_password, r.userid r_userid, s.total_posts, s.total_files, s.total_image, s.total_audio, s.total_video, s.total_swf, s.unique_ip, s.unique_user FROM `kobapost` p LEFT JOIN `kobareport` r on p.boardid = r.boardid and p.postid = r.postid LEFT JOIN `kobapoststats` s on p.boardid = s.boardid and p.postid = s.threadid WHERE p.`boardid` = '3' AND p.`postid` = '197871' AND `parentid` = '0' AND `deleted` = '0' UNION ALL SELECT p.*, r.time r_time, r.reason r_reason, r.ipmd5 r_ipmd5, r.ipcrypt r_ipcrypt, r.password r_password, r.userid r_userid, null as total_posts, null as total_files, null as total_image, null as total_audio, null as total_video, null as total_swf, null as unique_ip, null as unique_user FROM `kobapost` p LEFT JOIN `kobareport` r on p.boardid = r.boardid and p.postid = r.postid WHERE p.`boardid` = '3' AND `parentid` = '197871' AND `deleted` = '0' ORDER BY `parentid`,`postid` no error (prepared query)


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Rewrite/redirect rules:

Redirect /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/0.html(?:\?.*)?$/ $matches[1]\/ 302
Redirect /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/1.html(?:\?.*)?$/ $matches[1]\/ 302
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/(\d\w*)s.png$/ /$matches[1]/thumbs/$matches[2]s.png
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/?(?:\?.*)?$/ index.php?section=index&board=$matches[1]
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/([0-9]*)\.html(?:\?.*)?$/ index.php?section=index&board=$matches[1]&pagenumber=$matches[2]
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/catalog\.html(?:\?.*)?$/ index.php?section=catalog&board=$matches[1]
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/t([0-9]*)\.(html|json|rss)(?:\?.*)?$/ index.php?section=thread&board=$matches[1]&thread=$matches[2]&ext=$matches[3]
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/posts_feed\.rss$/ index.php?section=posts_feed&board=$matches[1]&ext=rss
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/threads_feed\.rss$/ index.php?section=threads_feed&board=$matches[1]&ext=rss
Rewrite: /^latest_posts\.rss$/ index.php?section=latest_posts&ext=rss
Rewrite: /^latest_threads\.rss$/ index.php?section=latest_threads&ext=rss
Rewrite: /^latest_nsfw_posts\.rss$/ index.php?section=latest_nsfw_posts&ext=rss
Rewrite: /^latest_nsfw_threads\.rss$/ index.php?section=latest_nsfw_threads&ext=rss

rules in htaccess format:

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2023-03-31 05:49:33