http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/eccc-exclusive-idws-new-powerpuff-girls-team-talks-comics-animation-revival >The people of Townsville have plenty to celebrate these days. While Blossom, Bubbles and Buttercup might look and sound a bit different than they did when Craig McCracken created them in the mid-1990s, some things never change as Cartoon Network's new "The Powerpuff Girls" animated series that debuted earlier this week still has the same awesome energy fans have always loved about the superpowered trio. >Of course, IDW Publishing made sure the Girls' revival didn't stop there, announcing at Emerald City Comicon that a new ongoing comic book series will debut this July. Two of the show's writers, Jake Goldman and Haley Mancini (who also voices Princess Morebucks!), will steer the new comic, teaming with artist Derek Charm who drew the previous IDW comic series as well as the Cartoon Network crossover "Super Secret Crisis War!" and wrote and illustrated "Powerpuff Girls: Super Smash-Up!"
The reboot could use some refining (especially with the fighting sequences,) but it's not even the worst thing to come out this year. In fact, I'm fairly optimistic this will turn out to be at least decent on its own merits.
>>242360 I just get cheesed when just a bit more effort can result in a better product. I'll give some of these a bit more time as they adjust like the VAs since they are new and maybe the writers just need a bit more to pull away from old ideas and understand this show. Animation though. I wonder what went wrong.
>>242360 Besides the "Stay buttmad, nostalgiafags", I'm with this guy. It's not perfect, but it's far from being the spawn of Satan that people seem to be fixated on believing. The people making it clearly have love for the series, even supposing that CN's main objective was making money off of merchandising, and the episodes put out were 'ok', and there isn't anything wrong with thinking that it'll get better as time goes on.
>The people making it clearly have love for the series
They wrote Miss Bellum—a capable and intelligent woman who was arguably the Powerpuff Girls’ most important adult female role model—out of the show for…reasons, so they can’t have that much love for the series.
>there isn't anything wrong with thinking that it'll get better as time goes on
Does it matter? The staff still went along with the decision even though it’s entirely possible to prove Miss Bellum was more than her hourglass figure. (I feel confident in saying she was cut because of her appearance and not because of her actual character.) What in the hell would be so wrong with giving the Powerpuffs an adult female role model who's both attractive and intelligent, anyway?
>>242370 I'm just saying if it wasn't their call then they'd probably have to either go along with it or walk, I doubt any of the writers on this project have a lot of sway.
As for why they cut Bellum, it's probably more because she was the mayor's assistant instead of mayor despite being more competent than him, which would acknowledge the whole glass ceiling thing and 'show girls they can only get so far' or some such bs. I think it's stupid and frankly actually anti-feminist to sweep shit like that under the rug and just pretend it never happens, but that's modern progressivism in media for you. That's the only reason I can think of why they'd cut her anyway. There was also the implication she was sleeping with the mayor for bonuses in the original show, but that would be easy enough to remove from the reboot without drastically changing her.
Honestly I'm not trying to defend the show or the writers or anything, I haven't seen this reboot and I don't plan to because frankly it just doesn't interest me. But yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if there's behind the scenes reasons they cut Bellum rather than just what they're saying.
>As for why they cut Bellum, it's probably more because she was the mayor's assistant instead of mayor despite being more competent than him, which would acknowledge the whole glass ceiling thing and 'show girls they can only get so far' or some such bs.
And they couldn't have made her mayor…why, exactly? I mean, it’s not as if they couldn’t use her newfound responsibilities as mayor to maker her unable to solve every last little problem on her own. (They could’ve even bumped the Mayor up to President so he’d still get to have appearances now and then. But I suppose that wouldn’t be as “funny”.)
>>242375 >implying blind negativity/pessimism isn't as stupid
I'm not the type to plug my ears, go "la la la" and pretend everything is hunky-dory. I do "temper my expectations;" that's how I look at things in general.
I have major depression, and it can get real difficult for me to stay positive. It's way too easy to fall into despair and act as if the world's ending. It doesn't help that people can have a bad habit of indulging in pessimism, as the saying goes: "misery loves company." To compensate for my depression, I try to look on the bright side and hang out with people who have a more positive or at least a sort of "glass half full/half empty" outlook.
(Ironic since I'm right here on plus4chan, and even on regular 4chan's /co/ which aren't exactly known for being fluffy clouds, rainbows, and sparkles kind of environments. At least plus4chan isn't rife with shitposting and baits.)
I never have had impossibly high expectations for the reboot from the start, so I've been (and still am) rather cautious about how it turns out. Sure, there's been a number of disappointments and baffling changes made (I'm not even sure what's the deal with the whole Ms. Bellum situation,) but I've seen some silver linings (background art looks nice for example.) With what I've seen so far, I'm chalking it up to be the new show staff not quite getting the hang of what made the original show good. I have confidence that they will be able to iron out their kinks, and that the reboot would get better, even if only a little bit. If it doesn't happen, oh well. At least I'd be able to enjoy what it has to offer.
>>242365 I don't know, I mean, I absolutely don't think it was necessary to get rid of her, but while I don't agree with why they did it, I can make sense of the reason they gave, and, as dumb as it was, I don't even think it's a thing that has to be a bad thing. With they way they execute it, in show, it's hardly as disgraceful as people make it sound, and having to deal with the absence of Ms. Bellum could open up different things to do with the Mayor's character.
And when I say they seem to have love for the series, I don't mean that excuses them from the mistakes they're making, but, from what I've seen of the people doing it, they do care and are trying with what they have, which I have to believe amounts to something.
>If I were you, I wouldn’t hold my breath. It's not that big of a deal to me, being perfectly honest, but I just don't see the gain in hating it, which is a weakness and is being stupid, but that kind of rage just isn't in me anymore, at least not for something like this. A part of me still thinks that there can be plenty of fun and interesting things about this, and even with what's out now I honestly can find some good in it, and I'd rather hold on to that than to get angry that it's not the same as the old show, which isn't to imply that that's the only reason people don't like it, cause there are a multitude of extremely viable complaints that the show needs to work on if it wants to get better, just that I don't want another thing to be mad at if I don't have to be, though I do understand the anger and disappointment people have.
If this fails and it doesn't even last another season, then I won't be surprised, but if it doesn't fail, and ends up going for a while, then I wouldn't mind another thing to watch.
>>242353 >who for some reason never rose above being the assistant to the generally clueless mayour of Townsville An entire episode revovled around the fact that the Mayor almost always went unopposed, and that even Fuzzy Lumpkin could beat him by just declaring his candidacy and then doing nothing. http://powerpuffgirls.wikia.com/wiki/Impeach_Fuzz I'm pretty sure even the Ameoba Boys could be president if they really wanted to. And that's ignoring that incompetent bosses with competent assistants is practically its own entire branch of humor. As well as that being mayor would get her kidnapped even more often. Actually:
>Feme Fatale realises that she can become mayor, does so based entirely on a "I'm not Mayor" platform. >Immediatly has all men put in iron cages, except for Talking Dog and Mojo who get put in pet carriers. >After warding off girls with legal threats: "Miss Bellum, why did you never think of being Mayor yourself?" >"Actually, I just figured I get kidnapped by giant enough as it is without being the city's biggest figurehead." >"Getting wha-" Is suddenly grabbed through the window by a giant monster and taken out to sea. >AND SO ONCE AGAIN THE DAY IS SAVED, THANKS TO THE GIANT BLOWFISH MONSTER.
If anything Bellum should run for mayor of the Town of Citiesville, with Princess Morebuck opposing.
>from what I've seen of the people doing it, they do care and are trying with what they have, which I have to believe amounts to something
They should try harder.
>A part of me still thinks that there can be plenty of fun and interesting things about this, and even with what's out now I honestly can find some good in it, and I'd rather hold on to that than to get angry that it's not the same as the old show
I'm not mad about it not being the exact same as the old show. I knew that was never going to happen. But removing Miss Bellum was an unspeakably dumb move, and the premiere episodes didn't impress me at all (plus there’s something a little…off about using the plot of The Hangover for an episode of a kids show). Part of the reason CN greenlit this show was to capitalize on nostalgia—but I'd rather see the old series than watch the new one, which probably isn’t the reaction CN had in mind.
Bellum episode, Bye, Bye Bellum aired. Thought it was actually pretty good, but if you're still here, at this point, you'll probably want to watch for yourself and decide. Simple story, decent action, decent villains, and the leaving of Ms. Bellum was fairly respectful. Basically, I'd probably say this is the episode to know, for certain, whether you should decide whether to even keep an eye on it, or dismiss it harder than you already have.
>>242415 I was thinking to myself about how the reboot overall just looks cheap as fuck, even for the girls who basically have the same designs they've always had. And I think the line thickness has a lot to do with it.
The Unicorn incident apparently broke their defenses with the SJWs.
Aside from ranting that /co/ does against all that is Tumblr someone did make a salient point. A good amount of the shows problems are tied to them treating this as on the job training for those working on the show.
A whole ton of new people on this one instead of just a few mixed with veterans like other times.
Fuck the original VAs being gone, fuck Miss Bellum being written off, fuck the Unicorn incident, fuck the shitty animation. This, right here, is the single most idiotic thing CN could've possibly done to this show, and they fucking did it.
I didn't even get this mad over Teen Titans Go!. But this, holy fucking shit. I hope tumblr organizes a massive backlash against this.
>>242492 Very true. Just in this case the step down in quality is quite larger than others. Show could do mixing in some of the story board artist to work in the later areas of the animation. Or at least more collaboration.
I watched three episodes. The man-boy episode sucked, but the Monster Island episode and the one with the Roller Derby girls seemed like they would've been believable as episodes in the original, differences in voicing and character design aside.
You can't even really blame the storyboarders. They’re doing the best they can with the material they’re given, and the animators are fucking it all up with stupid bullshit shortcuts and dumb mistakes like Professor's chestbeard. And then there’s the fact that the material they’re given from the writers isn’t exactly, y’know, all that great to begin with. (One episode has the PPG sneaking by the Professor's door late at night while he's asleep. And when I say “sneaking by”, I mean they’re doing it on their tiptoes. When they can, y’know, float in midair without making a sound.)
Well they send it tor their regular Finisher. Same one that did the Ben 10 AF UA Generator Rex shows along with Megas XLR season 1 and numerous others. Must not be putting out much of a budget that way for this much to slip through.
This isn't even funny anymore. I'm...I'm disgusted. This is shit you fix before your first test run. It's an autobalance filter put over the whole scene. This is the worst show CN's had since Problem Solverz.
>>242570 Well, if we have to suppose that someone working on it doesn't care about this reboot: The storyboarders seem to enjoy working on it, to some extent and the voice actors seem to show at least some interest, so it wouldn't be too outside the ballpark to think that maybe CN didn't give this as much attention as they should have, like budget or just having the people who check this kind of stuff to properly check this kind of stuff, because they don't have to. No real basis, but even if the show is bad or poorly received, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I still don't hate it as much as others do, but all of the errors are inexcusable, and it's clearly someone's job to make sure at least half of those don't happen, and they're clearly not doing it.
>>242575 Who's the executive producer? All the directors check out having Nickelodeon Pedigree from bofh the 90s and 00s. Their Supervising Director comes from Simpsons working on a few of the later season episodes but she's seems good.
Is it just are just not giving their finishing shop any money?
So, the writer behind the problematic unicorn episode apologized for the episode, and said it was never written with the premise of dealing with transgender issues in mind. Meaning, the Executive Producer lied about the episode in that interview, just to score brownie points.
Well this is possibly a doozy. Powerpuff Girls crossing over with Teen Titans Go Found through what's apparently an official CN Newsletter: http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=77d8fd1b81666a1dba9c96f0f&id=e3eadeb2c4 Some already calling this a sign of doom.
But it does reveal what WB considers is worth their dedicated comics division. If it weren't for the Hannah Barbera stuff they're doing, I'd say it feels DC's relegated to being the IP and Superheroes Ghetto.
Latest Episode was a fairytale/musical episode. >Synopsis: When a dainty princess on a mission comes to Townsville, the girls must learn the superhero way isn't always the right way.
>Current things people are raving about: Buttercup kissing a girl, bad singing, more rapping (webm related), a moral that you can see a mile away
>Moral of the episode: A mix of "Don't need a prince to have a life, princesses don't have to be girly and meek" and "Respect that a person might want a prince to have a life, and that they might like being girly and meek", or something.
This ought to just warm your heart. Already confirmed, and recording, for a second season. https://medium.com/the-dot-and-line/exclusive-interview-natalie-palamides-on-buttercup-and-powerpuff-girls-season-2-8caab6293971
>A second season of The Powerpuff Girls is in the works over at Cartoon Network. Buttercup herself told us so. >“We’re onto recording season two right now,” Natalie Palamides mentioned in a recent conversation with The Dot and Line.
>A Hollywood comedienne and voice actor, Palamides was cast as the new Buttercup for the 2016 reboot of the classic series. She spoke with us about role in an interview that covered how she deals with critics, keeps her voice-acting and comedy-filled schedule in check, and feels about playing the “toughest fighter” in the Powerpuff bunch.
>She stays zen about some of the negative comments the series has gotten.
>I see everything. I’d rather just focus on the positive feedback coming from the show. People have every right to have their opinions. I don’t think it’s very helpful to write such negative stuff online. I think in general, people should think about what they write before they do, because we do see everything. There are some actors that choose not to read stuff. But personally speaking, and just talking to my friends who are actors, we see everything—especially when people Tweet at you or message you on Facebook. I get positive reviews on Facebook as well. Unfortunately, [some are] not happy, and I wish them the best. I just don’t really pay attention to it. It’ll upset me if I read it too much. People say mean things and it makes the people they say them to sad. [Laughs.] Nobody likes when someone is mean to them.
>>242993 *sigh* some of that is constructive criticism/feedback. Craig's comments are basically that "this is why we didn't do profile shots." and such.
Yea sure some of it is people shitting because not muh or they feel it's their duty to be an asshole. But of you just ignore those that point out production problems and things they note are bad because they need to be improved on. It's not going to get any better.
Seriously, the people who ranted about Miss Bellum not being in the show had valid criticisms of the decision to remove her. While you could argue that it comes off as “NOT MUH PPG”, at least they had a point about why Miss Bellum worked as a character and deserved a spot on the reboot.
>>242996 She's just a voice actress. Any significant changes to the show wouldn't come from here in the first place. And considering she's getting shit on for things she's not personally involved with, I think her attitude is justified here.
And the coup d'etat of news. A look at the TTG x PPG crossover that's actually happening. https://twitter.com/cartoonnetwork/status/736202342765367296
http://www.newsarama.com/29500-teen-titans-meets-power-puff-girls-in-epic-crossover-for-the-ages.html >Cartoon Network's Teen Titans Go! and relaunched Powerpuff Girls are colliding this June, reports USA Today. The crossover will reportedly occur in an episode of Teen Titans Go! set in the DC heroes' hometown, Jump City.
>"Jump City will never be the same when our little superheroes Blossom, Bubbles and Buttercup meet up with the Teen Titans for the very first time," says Nick Jennings, Powerpuff Girls executive producer. "When these two worlds of superheroes collide, it will surely be something to remember."
>The girl trio's arch-rival Mojo Jojo's arrival in Jump City is said to be the catalyst for this crossover, leading to some odd pairings like Mojo, Cyborg, and Beast, and the Powerpuff Girls themselves in a team vs. team rivalry with Starfire, Robin, and Raven.
>"It's a really fun crossover that came about in a very organic way,"and it was really great getting to put these two iconic superhero teams together," said Teen Titans Go! producer Aaron Horvath.
>The exact date of the Teen Titans Go! episode has not been announced.
You know what? Yeah, I don't think I can delusion myself into trying to be neutral for the reboot. I can't, in good will, continue to try to see the positive in this. Is there any hope? Like, I mean, is there any actual reasonable hope that any good can come from this later on? Can they somehow fix this in the seasons that I know, now, are guaranteed to come whether wanted or not? Can the comic not be shit? Can they reboot a reboot?
The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S02E?? (E147) - Green Wing Synopsis: When volunteering at a retirement home, Buttercup meets an old woman who claims she used to be a superhero.
The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S02E?? (E148) - 15 Minutes of Fame Synopsis: When Bubbles' video goes viral, she goes to great lengths to maintain her status as a big-time director.
The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S02E?? (E149) - Splitsville Synopsis: The girls learn to appreciate each others's style after having to each fight solo.
The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S02E?? (E150) - Clawdad Synopsis: While visiting the lake, Buttercup vows to capture a legendary uncatchable crawdad.
The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S02E?? (E151) - You're a Good Man, Mojo Jojo Synopsis: The holidays are Mojo's favorite time…for ruining everything! But this year, he may just learn the reason for the season.
The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S02E?? (E152) - A Star Is Blossom Synopsis: When Bubbles gets the lead in the school play, Blossom's jealousy consumes her.
The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S02E?? (E153) - Buttercup vs. Math Synopsis: When Buttercup tests into Honors Math, she tries to avoid being labeled a nerd.
The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S02E?? (E154) - Mini Golf Madness Synopsis: Buttercup takes her game winning mini golf ball, in spite of ominous warnings of dire consequences.
The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S02E?? (E155) - The Last Donnycorn Synopsis: When Donny the Unicorn is hunted by a seemingly unstoppable foe, the Powerpuff Girls have to find a way to save him before it's too late!
>Jake "Chemical X Means Ready for Sex" Goldman >Jake "If she's older than 9, I must decline" Goldman >Jake "Touch my one eyed snake" Goldman >Jake "Ravioli ravioli cum in the ginger loli" Goldman >Jake "When they start twerking I get to jerking" Goldman >Jake "Move over professor, I'm gonna undress her" Goldman >Jake "Friends with Dan" Goldman >Jake "Blossom: Cum in her and then bleed her" Goldman >Jake "Sugar, spice, and everything nice (in my van)" Goldman >Jake "Fuck Drumpf like a Powerpuff" Goldman >Jake "I feel funny when she's all nubby" Goldman >Jake "Professor Ubonium accidentally added a extra ingredient to the concoction, Chemical SEX" Goldman
>>246322 The staff is on record as saying that he didn't come up with the character or write anything for them, they just based his appearance on him because they thought it would be fun and then got him to voice the character. But far be it from reality to interfere with an internet circle jerk.
>>246323 It is amazing how quickly people will take a statement from those who stand to fail from an event at face value.
He HAS written for the episodes featuring the character he voices, he HAS acted like a creepy fanboy in the past when asked who his favorite Powerpuff girl is. He also wrote for the infamous twerking episode.
Really the whole inclusion of this re-occurring highschool-aged love interest for Blossom based on the skeevy writer that has a Blossom fetish is as bad as their nonsensical comments on Miss Bellum, the character shouldn't have existed in the first place even for a show as terrible as NuPPG.
>>246329 >If this weren't a show you already had a hate-boner for you wouldn't give a shit about this. (another different anon) I've never watched the original nor the new powerpuff girls, I simply saw that pic when looking down the threads here.
That behavior is fucking embarrassing and pitiful, and fully deserves these reactions. It just happens to rub it in more that it was in a show people seriously hate. If this happened to any other show, I'm certain people would still give a shit that an adult writer self-inserted as the crush of a child.
>>246336 Again though, according to the people who work on the show, that's not what happened. That's just how people who want to take down this show for "ruining their childhoods" have painted it because it fits into a narrative that justifies their hate.
>>246331 Agreed, it's not a good show. But it's not worth creating another pizzagate over it.
>>246340 >Why are you feeling the need to try to set yourself apart from "the crowd" like that by brushing it off and disdaining anyone who happens to refer to it.
Because I consider internet mob justice, especially internet mob justice originating from 4chan and 4chan-adjacent communities which tend to be motivated by cynical and hateful interests, to be a pet peeve.
One of my biggest grips with this show is that everything is written as if the girls are meant to be much older compared to the original series but they are too afraid to just go with a redesign for marketing reasons.
>>246486 Unless they are young children, it's understandable for characters to not visually age that much of a few year.
But not only were the Powerpuff Girls very young from the start, but the reboot takes them from kindergarten to 3rd or 4th grade. And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but none of the other kids from Pokey Oaks appear in new school.
Memorable character designs don't works so well if the newer worlds they are apart of clash with it, narratively.
>>246504 Have they addressed the possibility that Chemical X-birthed homunculi like the girls aren't capable of growth or aging anyway? We already know their appearance is explicitly weird to other characters in-universe, so the possibility exists that their lack of aging is also an in-universe oddity.
That's not so much meant to defend the new series (of which the best episodes are about as good as a mediocre episode of the old show) but meant to explore an interesting possibility that they would be able to point to as an explanation if they needed to.
>>247077 >>247079 hahaha I don't watch the show nor have I watched the original series but oh wow that is gold. I know they are trying to be inclusive, but this looks to me like a cheap token character, or even a mean-spirited parody.
Place your bets: will she be an overpowered, offensively-stereotypical racial caricature, or will she be a subtle, welcome addition to the gang?