I knew something must have gone bad for DC to be DESPERATE like this, I didn't think it was this fuckin' bad.
The New 52 has hurt them in the long run, hurt them really, really bad, how bad? Bad enough the could lose there slot in the "big 2" if sales continue to drop as radically as they have in the last 5 years.
Pre-new52 there was a fanbase that lead to consistent sales that rarely ever flagged below a certain point, but after the New-52 and the realization it was a universe of fucking nothing you care about DC has realized they sawed the bottom out of the boat.
Sales are lagging farther behind than they ever have, "DC Rebirth" is a DESPERATE ploy to get fans back "HEY REMEMBER TED KORD!?!.....anybody? HELLO * echoing back* hello hello hello..."
>>241759 DC has had a Deadpool expy before, actually--it was in a Batman/Superman annual, and he was explicitly a version of Deathstroke from an alternate reality whose personality just happened to match Deadpool's, and he said he went by a different name that started with "Dea-" but was stopped before he could finish it.
Rebirth Specials: BATGIRL & THE BIRDS OF PREY REBIRTH #1 HAL JORDAN & THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS REBIRTH #1 THE HELLBLAZER REBIRTH #1 JUSTICE LEAGUE REBIRTH #1 NIGHTWING REBIRTH #1 RED HOOD & THE OUTLAWS REBIRTH #1
New #1 Issues (Shipping twice monthly): HAL JORDAN & THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS #1 JUSTICE LEAGUE #1 NIGHTWING #1
New #1 Issues (Shipping monthly): BATGIRL #1 BATGIRL & THE BIRDS OF PREY #1 THE HELLBLAZER #1 RED HOOD & THE OUTLAWS #1 THE SUPER-MAN #1 TITANS #1
>>241759 >red and black >common worker's tools >star on Harley's leg >general disregard towards government authority I wonder if this is intentional, or just a coincidence that might not get capitalized on.
>>241786 No, see it's the opposite, it's about DC not being able to have it both ways, you can't chase your old "white, cis, male" fanbase off with pitchforks and fire then turn around and chase your new "inclusive, diverse, LGBT" fanbase with pitchforks and fire and expect the old ones to come slinking back.
It's clear management feels untouchable and are disconnected in the extreme, management, in particular Dan Didio, Jim Lee and most of all Eddie Berganza the rapist need to go, they are a blood clot in DC's brain.
Until that happens DC is gonna continue hemorrhaging fans, that's what the desperation of Rebirth is, they have no idea who they are or who their fanbase is.
>>241791 Marvel is actively being more disgusting than DC when it comes to comics, but the key difference is that they can afford it, they have and actual casual audience thanks to the movies that they can draw on, they can afford to experiment and fuck with things.
DC is very poorly trying to copy them, Rebirth is literally the same business model copy pasted from Marvel's All-New All Different after DCyou catastrophically failed, except instead of being "All-New, All-Different" it's "Same old, Same old" as DC wants to put the floor back in the screen door submarine that is the New52, DC has nothing, not a casual audience, no more diehards after the new52, and Rebirth is some bizarre appeal to new fans that they are putting everything back the way it was when they hated them. They are losing fans faster than before the new52 and trying to copy Marvel is the worst possible idea.
Marvel is greedy and smart, DC is greedy and FUCKING UNIMAGINABLY CATASTROPHICALLY FUCKING STUPID.
>>241831 Makes me think of a scene that could redeem BvS. Clark just showing up at wherever Bruce is after he learns all there is about the tormented and scared boy attempting to keep what his family worked to save form rotting away completely.
>>241835 Honestly I'm not even sure why they need to make a movie for each of the Justice League biggies aside from Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Cyborg. At least Marvel Studios has the good sense to pick the heroes for their movies in such a way that they can make each one a different genre and have a superficial sense of variety to them. But in DC's case it sounds like they're just deciding to give each on of their frontliners a movie whether or not it'll hasten superhero fatigue and cause the whole bubble to collapse in on themselves.
"We’ve already looked at how Scott Snyder‘s next Batman run has moved from Detective Comics Rebirth to another monthly Batman title to come. Also how we’ve heard Marguerite Bennett found her approved Wonder Woman Rebirth stories dropped in favour of Greg Rucka after her editor left.
...To the extent that some creators are finding themselves uninvited by DC to WonderCon – including two who were on the way to the airport – as they no longer have a book to be announced."
Is there any hope Rebirth won't be a pile of shit? No, no there is not.
Why does anyone even try to work DC at this point, the last five years have been torture for their employees.
It might turn out shit, but I will probably pick up Blue Beetle and Birds of Prey. Ted Kord and Jaime Reyes is an idea I have been fond of in the past. It reminds me of that short-lived Earth 42 idea on /co/ in the past. As for BoP, I unironically love Black Canary's new costume, and Huntress' is ok too. Also, Batgirl's current costume has grown on me, even if I prefer Babs as Oracle.
It will probably end up shit. >>242190 I hate enjoying certain characters and concepts and creators but hating the company's bullshit practices. Seriously, that's disgusting.
>Clark Kent will be married to none other than Lois Lane. While DC's New 52 reboot had Superman and Wonder Woman hooking up, it looks like this new initiative will have Clark return to his most famous love interest and settle down.
>The world needs a Man of Steel, but can Superman protect the world while raising a super-son with his wife, Lois Lane?
Remember how DC stressed this wasn't going to be a reboot? backpedal motherfuckers, backpedal as hard as you can.
I'm excited, I guess? The JL vs. TT movie was all right.
I mean, it's no Season 3, but at least it'll hopefully tie up all the loose ends from YJ. And the shorter running time should curb a great deal of Weisman's excesses so he'll wind up delivering a sharper product.
>>242340 Five years ago if you told me Gerard Way would be an award-winning comic book writer I would've laughed at you. But I'm actually kinda excited for this, especially if he's saying it's going to be inspired by the Morrison run.
Saw a DC comic in a newsrack with swedish text for the first time in years. And it was an antologi with John Constantine guest staring the Spectre with some other horror stuff like Amarican Vampire. So I guess capeshit is still dead in sweden when it comes to comics.
It's not just DC, Berganza apparently has his dirty mitts stuffed inside a ton of assholes over on CBR, which it's now coming to light is one of the main ways this bullshit has been covered up so long.
Eh, I stopped reading them even before the New 52. And Marvel has gone down the drain too - all the unnecessary character changes, like female Thor or Falcon being the upteenth Captain America (who hasn't been Cap at this point?) - I just watch the animated movies they make - well, that DC makes - and hope some of them at least turn out allright.
>>242385 No, it really wasn't. It was terrible and boring. Full center Damian is why, mostly. But the other members of the Titans were all annoying too. And Trigon was barely there as a plot device even. Also, dead link, not sure what you are linking. I do wish they brought back Young Justice - only decent DC animation is YEARS.
As someone who is largely out of touch with DC comics, can you guys tell me what's wrong? I mean, /co/ is just crowing over and over again how this will "finally defeat Marvel" so they seem pretty happy...
Aside from the little details like three Jokers and the fractured continuities and such, the Big F’n Deal here is DC dropping the bombshell of Dr. Manhattan having something to do with either the creation or the fracturing of the DC Universe. It both folds Watchmen into the proper DC continuity—something that’s fucking unreal in its own right—and comes off as a desperate move to generate interest in/high sales for Rebirth.
>>242881 A thousand times this. I mean, at least as I see it, some people missed the point of stories like the Watchmen and tried aping them in all the wrong ways, but of course any nuance that could be explored there will be glanced over.
>>242880 I assumed that too. It's it's own thing, separate from the DCU, but inspired by characters that were folded into the main DCU. I like some things here and I feel there are things that need cleaning up, but I worry about how it will actually turn out. I'm only going to get a few books anyway. Not all of them really interest me.
>>242884 I'm not a collector type so I'll likely only buy one copy if I do. But man, I don't like single issues as a format. I'll probably come off as whiny but can't I just pre-order the Future Quest paperback?
>>242885 >I'll probably come off as whiny but can't I just pre-order the Future Quest paperback?
Because buying single issues helps it so that it isn't just the one paperback. Low single issue sales are what kill series, and a comic book based on 60s Hanna Barbara adventure cartoons that have been turned into jokes by Adult Swim is not a guaranteed top seller.
What a load of apologist horseshit. Even if we take the interpretation presented at face value, Geoff Johns has been a major creative force at DC for ages. Some of the dumbest, grimmest bullshit they've put out has been his baby. How fucking dare he try to pass the buck onto Moore?
>>242911 >>242913 I never said that those stories existing was bad, hence "good stories". They stand the test of time. And yeah, the dude saying "poisoned the well" isn't a good way of stating it. It's not the stories fault's, nor is it the creative teams who spawned them. It's more the people who read them and write grim dark drew because they missed the point. I guess what the point is is that even really good things can inspire bad stories. It doesn't make the stories themselves bad, but they are a source of inspiration for better or worse.
And it brought at least one guy back who was driven off by the new 52.
None of this even guarantees success and given DC's track record, it will probably fail, or at the very least not so as well as they hope.
But yeah, the guy said some stuff I was thinking about for some time.
I still wager it's going to sell gangbusters. An oversized event comic for $2.99? Fanservice out the ass? Event that's hyped to high heaven for months? I would be really surprised if this WASN'T #1 on the monthly charts.
I liked where it was going using lesser known rogues from the gallery. But anything DC Nation was doomed from the start. Because if it's an outside property vs a Cartoon Network original or cheap import. Then those latter ones are going to win.
>>243374 I kind of liked it but yeah, it was the worst Batman cartoon and it didn't use what it had as well as it could have. There are a lot of lesser known characters that could be used, but they need to be done well, the stories have to be good, and the animation has to be good too. I'm just still bummed my favorite Batman story hasn't been adapted yet.
As for DC Nation, I really wish it stood more of a chance as I enjoyed many of the shorts and the shows they aired around. But yeah, that block was doomed in retrospect.
I love that New 52 Superman was such a cancer they literally just killed him off and replaced him with Pre-52 Superman, everyone else they revised but he'd just become such a cancer they sent him back to his home planet. (being dead.)
>>243380 Really? I hate that only twist. I thought New 52 Superman was doing fine and the old one coming back to show him how A Real Superman does things, then immediately doing the same exact stories except also sometimes being a complete pill of a middle aged man showed off how very powerful the notion of angry nostalgic fanboys could be. Superman is now back to being My Dad and I hate it. It's so much regression, and so unnecessary.
>>243388 I thought having Superman be less glorified and less of a fuddy-duddy middle aged depressed man was a good turn for the character, and while only Morrison's Action Comics did that just right the rest I didn't think were any worse than what Superman was doing before the reboot. Killing him off to bring back pre-FP Superman doesn't "fix" anything, it just solidified comics and their fandom as a bunch of fanboys who always cling to the past and good old days.
>“The biggest challenge [of 52] was actually, wisely, kept from us by [editor] Steve [Wacker]. EIC Dan Didio, who first championed the concept, hated what we were doing. H-A-T-E-D 52. Would storm up and down the halls telling everyone how much he hated it. And Steve, God bless him, kept us out of the loop on that particular drama. [Editor Michael] Siglain, having less seniority, was less able to do so, and there’s one issue of 52 near the end that was written almost totally by Dan and Keith Giffen because none of the writers could plot it to Dan’s satisfaction. Which was and is his prerogative as EIC, but man, there’s little more demoralizing than taking the ball down to the one-yard line and then being benched by the guy who kept referring to COUNTDOWN as ‘52 done right.'”
Which is why Waid is banned, because Didio is the worst cunt.
Ha. Should be a fun cartoon, but the 11-minute time limit concerns me. Can't blame WBA when CN refuses to repeat anything that doesn't fit their mold. Hard to believe we once had hour-long Justice League episodes. That's something that will never happen again. (But to be honest, I don't mint cuz JL would seriously have pointless filler to fill out the time length).
>>243569 Timm is a weirdo who seems to have some obsession about Bruce fucking Babs.
I dunno, maybe he just likes to have Batman fucking all the chicks to show how big his batdick is while being a brooding asshole who's never going to actually get together with one of them, didn't they have him fucking Lois Lane too in the DCAU along with his massive string of love interests in his own cartoon and Wonder Woman in the Justice League cartoon?
>>243604 Though to be frank people kinda wrote her into having a kinda thing for Batman a bit earlier than him. Timm just went with it.
Also kinda makes sense since they lined up for a bit that it would make their relationship possible. But eventually as Barbara states in Beyond. She just had to move on since he would always put the job first.
It wasn't great and I don't know how to feel about them going "It's actually not aliens. It's magic." as I loved Jaime's iriginal series and the Reach were a good enemy for him, but I liked this issue and I look forward to more.
I just really hate what they did to Ted's character. I understand the end goal they have in mind, to have a Ted Kord Blue Beetle back in the roster, but the way they're going about it is totally ass-backwards. Instead of it being Dan Garrett passing on the torch to Ted, this Kord feels like he's eagerly riding Jaime's reluctant coattails.
>>244016 I suppose, though I read it more as him being eager to be a mentor and play a sort of Batman role to this kid who just wants to live a normal life. It could have been handled better though. I'll see where it goes with further issues though.
>new six-issue crossover: Justice League vs. Suicide Squad >will run for six issues weekly in December 2016 and January 2017 >written by Joshua Williamson >art by Jason Fabok and later Tony Daniel >the creative team for the Justice League tie-in issues (#11 and #12) is not yet announced >Suicide Squad tie-in issues (#9 & #10) will be written by Tim Seeley >the previously announced JLA book will rise in February 2017 featuring Steve Orlando on the pen >more at NYCC
>>244457 There was a part in the latest issue that resonated with me a bit and I really liked it. Wonder Woman is one of my favorite books from DC right now and one of the few I keep up with regularly.
>>245164 Actually, it was anounced even longer ago--2006. It was supposed be the third DC Animated movie, after Superman: Doomsday and Justice League. 2008 was the year it was put on hold, and apparently remained there until last year.
That said, it seems to just be a new project with the same source material, not reviving whatever little they'd planned back then.
I want to make a hard hitting political intrigue story around Superman being completely outclassed by a natural disaster and Clark Kent being overwhelmed by the resultant mismanagement, government incompetence and disgusting aspects of human nature.
I want the Kevin Carter side of the Superman universe,
>>248279 Am I the only one who actively avoids a book now when Bendis gets a hold of it? I stopped giving a shit about X-Men at that time, I stopped caring about Guardians of the Galaxy when it was rebooted with Bendis at helm, and now Superman will be another book I won't ever bother checking.
I mean circa 2005 or so with the New Avengers, his style was okay as it was fresh, but it became just poor by the end of the decade. And even then I only liked it because I wasn't reading Avengers before that to begin with (he axed a lot of the cast on purpose, ignoring entire storylines).