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Samurai Jack is back! http://thecreatorsproject.vice.com/blog/samurai-jack-is-coming-back-to-tv
I wonder what's up with the helmet.
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We time skipped I'm guessing.
Hoping they delve a bit more into Japanese mysticism Avatar-style, but if not I can see why they wouldn't, to avoid clashing with the pan-cultural nature of the original show.

I could see it coming up like the Shoemaker. Allows Jack to go at a problem with a traditionalist flair. Maybe find a Warrior for Justice to lend a hand at a crucial point. Someone abducted by Aku turned into a cyborg who escaped to fight back.
A cyborg made by someone who tends to have robots made with black metal and red glowing eyes, who goes on to fight against more people being made into similar cyborgs? I can't help but think that'd almost be like having two Jacks in a way.

Black Metal and Glowing Red Eyes?

Well that fits most the Riders of Justice, but one on particular.

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Oh this is neat neat, though I was thinking of someone who's also called Jack.
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New promotional image.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

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Friendly reminder that Jack comes back 11pm EST/ 8pm PST this Saturday!
Trailer said it's 50 years past where we left off but Jack isn't aging for some reason.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Aku's magic is supposedly the reason — when Jack got flung into the future, he stopped aging.

thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
The first two episodes are listed in guides as "XCII" (92) and "XCIII" (93). The skip from the last episode of the original run, "LII" (52), clearly references the time passed in and out of series, but I'm not seeing the significance of that particular number.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
If the next nine episodes are as good as the first, "Jack" is gonna have one hell of a fuckin' finalé.
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Somehow half the /co/asters watched the episode before me. Did some country air it early?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

[as] streamed the full episode a half-hour before it premiered on TV.
Mister Twister
So THAT's why people were going MAH DICK before anything was done to said dick.
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Boy that child abuse is hard to watch.
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This already (re)started awesome.
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I tried to warn you when you were a child.
I told you not to get lost in the wild.
I sent you omens and all kinds of signs.
I taught you melodies, poems and rhymes.

Oh you fool, there are rules, I am coming for you.
You can run but you can’t be saved.
Darkness brings evil things, oh the reckoning begins.
You have opened the yawning grave.

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So Jack actually has to suffer the effects of being retarded and not making use of the time travel when it was readily available because he instead thought it was a good idea to run back and fight to save warriors that were willingly sacrificing their lives to defeat Aku when if he ever did go back and defeat Aku which was his supposed goal they would basically be unmade along with the dark future anyway?
This is magic time travel though

Not your childish 'science'.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

The Sneaky Tiki
He's referencing an early episode in which Jack forsakes a portal home in order to aid warriors who are helping him despite the fact he could save them via erasing the situation through temporal alteration.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Okay, much clearer.

Pretty sure he did that kind of thing more than once, giving up on chances to go back in time and beat Aku because some random person was in danger.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
He also did that way back in the fifth episode: Jack planned to get back via an FTL pod launch from a ship of astronauts escaping Aku's fleet around Earth. When they were being attacked, Jack delayed his launch to protect them and couldn't make it back before they left. Not sure if there was a third time.

Sneaky is right that Jack can't be sure how time travel works--he could have been sacrificing people in one timeline to save people in another, or sacrificing them completely in vain because changing the past is impossible. That's why he kind of wants to destroy Aku and then go back to the past, like those kids imagined he'd do. It's kind of like the opposite extreme of Nox from Wakfu, where he's being as cautious as possible in terms of multi-timeline ethics.

Even assuming their lives really did depended on Jack staying, there's still the "needs of the many" problem, but that's essentially a different moral dilemma entirely.
Why don't the gods spend the two seconds needed to finish cleaning their mess instead of faffing about handing out magic swords to incompetent manlets? Dealt with the remnants of the blob monster while it was corrupting the Earth before it ever became Aku mebbie?

Jack literally ended up summoning one of the big bastards to deal with terrestrial sevants of another god, he could have just stuck around a little longer and dealt with everything with a single handwave.
Hell the evil god managed to make three servants who were all ridiculously hax, why didn't each of the good gods just make a single one of those apiece and imbue it with the tiniest fragment of their abomination burning power? Aku would have been finished in no time.
Is there any place to watch this other than Adult Swim site if I don't have a TV service provider?
Anyone know?
Who was that voicing Aku on the phone?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Greg Baldwin, who also replaced Mako Iwamatsu as the voice of Iroh on “Avatar: The Last Airbender”.

Try Kisscartoons, they should probably have it by now. Or just look it up on DailyMotion or whatever.
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*plays flute*
Samurai Jack always had a flair for cool baddies.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
After two episodes, I have complete and unfettered faith in Genndy to deliver the ending we deserve.
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Don't expect an explanation.
Kisscartoons doesn't let you use adblock, and for some reason even when you get to the video it doesn't play properly?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

I have uBlock running with a full slate of filter lists, and Kisscartoons gives me no problems. Sorry. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Watchcartoonsonline has it in decent quality.
So? There are no pop-up ads (at least for me, as used Blocksite to disable any possible ones), and ads only appear when you pause the video on the picture, not a big hassle. Given that they host cartoon rips for free, that's the least you can do to support them.
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I went into the 2nd episode with high expectations, and they were exceeded.
Well no, because I just caught something nasty from the website
I have to wonder, given the overall differences in art style and shift to digital how many of the old animators are still around for this show. Although Tartakovsky himself probably gets involved in the animation process.
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I wonder if the beard indicates they're really going to do this
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I wonder if Symbiotic Titan can get a re-start as good as Samurai Jack.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

We all know that is never going to happen. Never in a million years.
Apparently that was the ending of the tie-in comic from IDW or whatever it was. I don't know for sure though since I never read it.
Unless Genndy can persuade them there's enough financial incentive to un-write it off for tax reasons, nope.
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Never say never, my fwend!
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
He's old there, though. Jack's lack of aging is kind of a way to preserve drama by making an obstacle to that prophecy even being possible.
Rodyle !Cljnc/gZnM
And he could possibly go on to restore the aging process.

"Could," I stress.
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Snes !v68zTeBMI.
Has Jack seriously never killed another human being? I find that hard to believe. And even if he hasn't, he's killed plenty of other people, not all of who were robots.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Genndy himself said that Jack had never killed a human in the original series:

>The whole conceit of the first series is that we couldn’t kill a human. He fought some, but he never killed them. He always had to find a way around it. […] Some of those bounty hunters were definitely alien-like. […] In my head, they were robots. I’d have to look at that episode again. I remember the episode, but I think they were mostly aliens. There were a couple of humans, but maybe they didn’t die.

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/10/14881920/samurai-jack-season-five-genndy-tartakovsky-cartoon-network-adult-swim
Seems kinda fishy. I've seen people claim that his sword is literally incapable of cutting humans but all the show actually said was that evil people can't use it to hurt good people. Nothing about it not being able to hurt anyone when a good person uses it.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Well, if I what I hear about the next episode holds true, it will explain why Jack did his best to avoid drawing his sword against other people.
Mind posting that in spoilertags?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

According to the spoilers I heard about, this is a scene we will see in the next episode: As a young child, Jack was walking with his father when a group of men surrounded them; I forget if it was bandits or other samurai or what. Jack’s dad gave them a chance to leave — which is the same chance he gives the Daughters of Aku — and when the men refused, Jack’s dad slaughtered them all. Jack himself ended up covered in blood.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
>Nothing about it not being able to hurt anyone when a good person uses it.
It doesn't matter who's using it. Aku couldn't use it to cut Jack, but Jack couldn't use it to cut a deer while hunting either. The sword seem to just refuse to kill living things unless they are evil/murderous/malicious.

I'm sure Jack could have killed humans with the sword. He just avoided doing so, and generally just beat them up.
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I'm just gonna leave this here. Pretty cool, or should I say muy genial?
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Christ, I want this season on Blu-ray already, and it is only three episodes in.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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Samurai "Get rid of all kids" Jack
Samurai "Out of the womb and into the tomb" Jack
Samurai "Killing a child feels really wild" Jack
Samurai "Toddlers are nothing but fodder" Jack
Samurai "Premeditated Preschool" Jack
Samurai "Targets are found on the playground" Jack
Samurai "Brats get gats" Jack
Samurai "Little Jack Horner's Dead in the Corner" Jack
Samurai "Ten years or less and get laid to rest" Jack
Samurai "First grader mutilator" Jack
Samurai "Spike the Tykes" Jack
Samurai "Crying Kid Crusher" Jack
Samurai "Toddler Terminator" Jack
Samurai "Preschool Purifier" Jack
Samurai "You must be this tall to live" Jack
Samurai "Gerber Grow-up Plan Gleaner" Jack
Samurai "Trust Fund Refund" Jack
Samurai "Child Coffin Collector" Jack
Samurai "burn'em while they're still small" Jack
Samurai "if their age is on the clock, they're ready for the glock" Jack
Samurai "small necks snap the best" Jack
Samurai "Warriors of Hope in my scope" Jack
Samurai "The Kids Are Not All Right" Jack
Samurai "Underage Undertaker" Jack
Samurai "The Babysplitter" Jack
Samurai "Silly rabbit, crypts are for kids" Jack
Samurai "Infants get lead implants" Jack
Samurai "Krazy Kid KIller" Jack
Samurai "Lobotomized Liquidator" Jack
Samurai "Baby Burner" Jack
Samurai "Tots on the rocks" Jack
Samurai "I'll murder all the kiddies for about tree fiddy" Jack
Samurai "Newborn Nightmare" Jack
Samurai "The field trips I take end with my van at the bottom of a lake" Jack
Samurai "Leave your kid afterschool I'll drown them in a pool" Jack
Samurai "Bungling the Younglings" Jack
Samurai "Toddler Slaughter" Jack
Samurai "Permanent Lullaby" Jack
Samurai "Never Too Young To Die" Jack
Samurai "Ten years or less and get laid to rest" Jack
Samurai "Empty my nine at the lunch line" Jack
Samurai "Late Term Abortion" Jack
Samurai "Simon Says Die" Jack
Samurai "Let the babies hit the floor" Jack
Samurai "Rock a Bye Bye Baby" Jack
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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Why did a wulf help Jack? Why did said wulf share his kill with Jack?

Was this a special wulf or something?
Mister Twister
FUCK, should have spoiled. If any mod is reading, please delete that post.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

A.) Thematic closure.
B.) Because wolves are fucking awesome.
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I'm posting this crap gif and no one can stop me, but I will spoiler it.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

That is the new face of being 1,000% done with everyone’s shit.
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Jack has a connection to nature, which may or may not be explained in a future episode This can be seen in episode 2 with the fireflies and the frog and wolf in episode 3.
Mister Twister
I just don't get why the wolf would want to help a hooman. He has to be extra smart or something.
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Your entire life is....nothing.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Samurai “You were trained in the art of death for over twenty years, but it took me twenty seconds to gut you with a spear!” Jack
And your not questioning why a frog would yell "THEY'RE HERE"? Jack has a magical connection with animals now, for a reason I would assume happened in the episodes during the time skip.

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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

“I sure hope that you don’t do that.” - Samurai Bat
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Given the severe reduction in daughters, these types of memes will probably become things of the past. But they were fun while they lasted.
Since when Jack was capable of losing thousands of gallons of blood and still live?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

It’s just a cartoon, you should really just relax.
Maybe he didn't and the rest of the show from here on out is just a dying coma dreeaaaaam~!
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And Jack hasn't aged in a long time, but he grew a beard. He also appeared to recover very fast from that knife wound. Jack's physiology is not base-human any more, I suspect.
Mister Twister
More like "it's stylized, the visuals are exaggerated". The visual representation of what is happening is not what is actually happening.
The show in general tends to go for what looks cool rather than what's realistic. A lot of the setpieces seem to completely change from one shot to shot so verisimilitude clearly has never been a priority.
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Samurai Jack, more like Asgore Dreemurr
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

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I knew Samurai Jack was not airing tonight the moment I saw the airing chart. I'm not even mad. I've waited longer for even season 5 to air. I can wait a week or so.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
After that shit [as] pulled on the early side of April Fool’s, that new “Rick and Morty” episode was worth waiting one more week for more “Jack”. We waited more than a decade for this, one more week is not going to hurt.
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You'd think Mike Mignola jumped in for a couple frames.
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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You just know.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Shadman should’ve taken the hint when his site got dragged offline.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
RIP Scotsman
Mister Twister
Long live Ghostsman!
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Song from the next episode montage.
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Damn, Scotsman got busy.
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Dammit +/co/!

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0/10 no ghost!Jack
Mister Twister
I just realized how strange it was that the Scotsman saw "his prime" as the time he was already balding.
Maybe it started early.
Mister Twister
I don't know, in his place I'd wish better.

/totally nitpicking
Too much testosterone
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Holy shit, they said "penis" on the show!
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Fucking awesome.
A talking penis!
I'm not gonna lie, I laughed at it.
And nudity

What disgusting filth my good christian western anime has become!
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
I loved that whole episode. Bring on the Final Four.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Mister Twister
Naked. In the snow. In WINTER. What freaking idiots.
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Okay, this is a PHAN THEOREE.

Jack manages to get back to the past and stop Aku. HOWEVER, that means that ALL THE CHARACTERS THAT WE GROWN TO KNOW AND LOVE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SCOTSMAN, will all be erased from history forever. Jack wins, but we all lose.
Nah, it goes full LttP; the timeline is rewritten, but everyone still exists in the future and we get an ending montage showing them all much happier and living utopian lives.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Most of the speculation I have seen on /co/ Prime do not mention Jack going back in time at all. The most tossed-around theories say Jack will either stay in the present or send Ashi back to the past instead — assuming he lives through his final battle with Aku, that is.
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I feel the resolution of what should have been a climatic resolution to the mysterious green samurai apparition didn't have the emotional weight I feel it deserved. And how the apparition kept attacking Ashi while he is suppose to be in position to assist Jack in his ritual suicide really broke the verisimilitude for me. I'm not saying SJ is a show that is realistic, but I had some hopes that the depiction of harakiri would have been a tad more serious.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Wait, what was it about Jack preparing to commit (and nearly committing) suicide with a giant damn sword that was not serious?
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I said a tad more serious. As in a little bit more, which implies that i felt it was serious, but could have gone further. I personally felt Ashi interuppting the ritual and fighting the ghost multiple times undercut the tone of the scene. This is all personal opinion, of course.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

The whole point of the scene (and the episode, really) was Ashi trying to get Jack back to normal. The Spectre* was a manifestation of Jack’s depression and guilt. It was not defeated until Jack defeated it — and he did not have the will to defeat it until after Ashi proved there was still hope left in a world ruled by Aku. The scene’s entire point might have been undercut or felt rushed if she had only stepped in once or snapped Jack out of his depressed state with a couple of lines of dialogue.

* – I would think the character has an actual name or title, but I cannot be fucked to go look it up.
The thing that confused me was why she was able to see it and not just Jack.
Mister Twister
Because ghosts are real, duh.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

To make the scene more dramatic. Ashi doing a monologue to spring Jack out of his suicide attempt would have been boring.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Jack is finally back. Hells yeah.
Mister Twister
Mildly disappointed. He already got over his frustrations, already we have seen, many times even, he is NOT letting his "bad" side control him. Was it really necessary to tell "evil" Jack to go away ONE more time?? I don't know, guess it's serviceable. It works, but I expected something better.

And if anyone is wondering how Ashi managed to take out an entire army with no weapon in hand, she was trained to be the best of the best. Only Jack is lightly more skillful than her. The army was comprised of slow dumb goons who could not fight for shit.
i actually like Mad Jack much better because it was about acceptance rather than removal.

I also love Ashi's cartoonish brutality.
Mister Twister
I did not see any acceptance there, though maybe I'm blind.
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No, I'm talking about the actual character Mad Jack.

I feel that episode handled the concept of an enraged and evil side to Jack better.
The point is that Jack had to expunge his anger in order to progress, the sword wasn't accepting him otherwise. Not placate or accept like before, but let it go entirely. It was a test of worthiness by the three gods.
The gods are dicks, they should have already cleaned up the remains of the darkness instead of leaving the job unfinished as it infected and consumed Earth.
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Mister Twister
I guess the sword doesn't accept people who are capable of disliking stuff.
No, the sword doesn't accept to be held in anger. Jack quite obviously doesn't like his many foes, but his primary drive is always to bring justice to the needed.

Normally Jack would have quickly realized that the three monsters were those little goats that Aku turned with his magic, find a way to non-lethally take them down, and then go in a quest to find a cure or something. But that didn't happen because Jack's anger got the best of him and clouded his judgment.

Of course one could argue that given the circumstances it wasn't really Jack's fault and blaming him for reacting like a human is unreasonable. But that's the thing, the sword is a divine weapon, and expects it's master to be nothing short of a saint.
Well yeah, I mean, that's the point right? If just anyone could beat Aku, he would've been beaten ages ago. The Scotsman would've done it if nothing else. It takes a messianic archetype to win the day. That's not being unfair to Jack, that's just forcing him to complete his apotheosis before he can accomplish his goal.
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Maybe it's a little personal. Just don't like the whole "anger is bad" flim-flam philosophy.

And speaking of unrelated things, can somebody spoonfeed me this meme?
Because Odin is such a saintly divine-individual right?

It does seem odd if you think about it that there aren't other gods out there, gods worshiped by the alien races of other worlds, that when Aku invaded their planet didn't bestow their champion with some holy nuke to destroy him with.

Anyway, does anyone have that fanart series of comics that show what-if Jack had ended up saving the daughters of Aku as little girls? Shows snippets of him raising them into proper young ladies and has the Scotsman and his wife interacting with Jack and the girls too.
Wanted to save them now but can't find them.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
>Because Odin is such a saintly divine-individual right?
Maybe that's why they couldn't finish of the thing that Aku spawned from.

>It does seem odd if you think about it that there aren't other gods out there, gods worshiped by the alien races of other worlds, that when Aku invaded their planet didn't bestow their champion with some holy nuke to destroy him with.
Those same gods are probably worshiped on numerous planets under different names/identity. After all, when Jack's dad saw them, they were in the form of monks.
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Mister Twister
So, apparently Jack got laid, and /co/ does not know how to feel.
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It's great
Mister Twister
Mods were asked to put this song on the front page.

Mods said no :(
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What a bunch of losers.
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This entire new season was primarily an excuse to insert Genndy's dream-waifu, from the actual dreams he had that originally inspired the series.
Mister Twister
[citation needed]

Here's a link mentioning the childhood dream during the course of an interview quickly found on google.

Also I accidentally 'reported' your post while trying to reply to it, want to apologize to you and the mods for that error.
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It was still in the talk back threads. Auto-playing songs on the front page of /co/ are excessive and only make people upset.
Personally, I think Ashi has been and still is a great addition to the show, but I still think that romance came out of nowhere and is fucking creepy besides. Jack is 50 years older than her, and has positioned himself as a mentor to her, plus she has had an abusive and traumatizing upbringing that really calls into question her ability to have a normal, adult perspective on romantic relationships and would need years of therapy to be able to attempt any sort of romantic entanglement that wasn't on some level deeply disturbing.

Like I understand Jack finding her sexy, and I can even understand her finding Jack sexy. But actually acting on those impulses I think is really fucking unfair to her on Jack's part and really fucking unwise (though at least explicable given her naivety) on Ashi's part.

Plus the episode really seemed like the first indication of any sort of attraction between them, so it really felt like it came out of nowhere.
Really not a fan of the 'romance' either.

And Aishi herself has both "grown on me" and annoyed me at different times, like her whole scrubbing off the ashes scene and rebirthing herself in clothing made from eden-like natural foliage partly inspired by seeing Jack doing the same before was a neat scene (and stuff like her joining in the Rave dancing with the others after a lifetime of never knowing this kind of experience was cute)
But other parts her being Jack's love interest and how all her (nameless identical) sisters only existed to get chummed simply to show how much more... Unique & Special... she was in every way.

Only vaguely interested in how the series ends now, getting the feeling it won't be that great.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
While I tend to agree with the criticisms about Season 5’s pacing, I also understand how it was something of a “necessary evil” given the situation. I can generally overlook the rushed characterisation of Ashi because she offered something important to the story — a way for Jack to regain the hope that he lost over the past fifty years — and she is a generally fun character besides.

Would I have liked Jashi more if Jack and Ashi had remained “friends” or whatever? Absolutely. Am I salty as fuck over Jashi becoming a romantic relationship, even though I feel it was shoehorned into the story? Fuck no. My only complaint is that the romance was underdeveloped.

Bring on the last two episodes. I wanna see how this story ends.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
I don't really care about them as a couple, but I did like the episode, mostly because it was so fucking ridiculous.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

The needledrop right at the end got a good bellylaugh out of me because it came out of nowhere and it just fucking worked.
Same. Heavy UST that lasts all season long is fine, but them already becoming a consummated couple is pretty dumb. It's not a show ruiner, but it's the most visible symptom of the show's atrocious pacing from episode 4 and onward. Last week's episode is arguably worse in this regard because it juggled so many plots at once and resolved not a single one of them satisfactorily, but this one stuck out more because the plot moved absolutely nowhere when it was already scrimping on screentime as it was.

Now if they do something like offer Jack a choice between being with Ashi in the present and getting to go back to the past to defeat Aku and Jack actually feels conflicted over this because he just loves Ashi soooo much, or that the romance was done because they think it'll make us care more when Aku captures Ashi and tortures her to hurt Jack, then the show will truly have shit itself.
>Jack is 50 years older than her

Jack was more or less in his 20s when Aku threw him through the portal, so going by that argument he only should be interested in 70 years old women.

Also, have you guys read the synopsis for the next ep?

"Samurai Jack's worst fear is realized when he faces off against Aku; the demon makes a shocking discovery about Ashi that puts her in grave danger."

I wonder if that means Ashi's mom was actually literal when she dubbed them "the daughters of Aku".
Turning this into another Romeo and Juliet type dilemma would be the lamest way this could go, but that unfortunately seems like what's going to happen.
>Jack was more or less in his 20s when Aku threw him through the portal, so going by that argument he only should be interested in 70 years old women.

It's not about who he "should be interested in," it's about the fact that he's a 70 year old man fucking a teenager.
And what is wrong with that? It's not like Jack is physically 70 and the relationship appears to be consensual. What's the hang up?
>and what is wrong with that?

What's wrong with that is that it's inherently coercive. She can't give informed consent because of the difference in their levels of experience and perspective, to say nothing of her mental state after the upbringing she had.

For the record, I'm done with this argument now--I know you're just using this to mask a "Adults should be able to fuck children" debate and I don't feel like arguing with someone who's not arguing in good faith.
I feel like I'm reading a Poe's Law parody post derived from the godforsaken Voltron Legendary Defender age discourse right now.
Phil Lamarr confirmed she's an adult on Twitter.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

>She can't give informed consent because of the difference in their levels of experience and perspective, to say nothing of her mental state after the upbringing she had.

We are talking about a slightly-more-mature fifth season of a children’s cartoon about a time-displaced magical-sword-wielding Japanese man who fights the magical black slab of hate and destruction that flung him into the future in the first place, and you cannot buy into the idea that Ashi—a woman shown to be near Jack’s level of agility and strength—could either consent to a kiss or physically stop Jack from kissing her?
>I know you're just using this to mask a "Adults should be able to fuck children" debate

Jesus christ, what a massive asshole you are.

And no, I am not that guy you replied to.
So your logic is "magic exists, therefore fucking someone who is young enough to be your great granddaughter, who has never been shown affection or kindness by any other human, who has no context by which to judge what is and is not a healthy relationship, who literally didn't even comprehend a relationship between two living entities that wasn't either adversarial or worshipful until like three days ago and for whom you are literally 100% of their support network is not creepy, and the fact that she could physically stop him from doing it means that anything you do to her is something she was asking for."

The fact that someone is good at killing does not mean they are immune from manipulative behavior from people in positions of power over them. See for example how common rape and sexual assault is in the military, almost always amongst people who have the physical means necessary to prevent those things from happening to them. You're either not thinking through the ramifications of fucking your kid sidekick (and yes, if you're seventy years old and your sidekick is 18, she's your kid sidekick), or you're willfully ignoring the troubling ramifications because you enjoy stories of that nature and don't want to deal with the fact that they might be glorifying manipulation and coercion.
>manipulative behavior from people in positions of power

Yeah man, what a manipulative fucker, that Jack guy.
>manipulative fucker

Yeah, actually, this romance subplot has made him into exactly that. Which is exactly why it's so ugly to see it happening to a character who's usually as admirable and pure-hearted as Jack.
>and your sidekick is 18, she's your kid sidekick
Phil Lamarr mentioned on Twitter she's at least in her 20s.
>this romance subplot has made him into exactly that.

Wow. You are seeing what you want to see, for reasons I can't fathom.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

>So your logic is

“You are putting way too much goddamn thought into what is, at its heart, a kid-friendly action cartoon.” Now repeat to yourself: “It’s just a show; I should really just relax.”
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This reminds me of all those rants from rabid Overwatch anti-shippers who claim that pairing Mercy with Pharah or Roadhog with Junkrat is literally pedophilia because those evil abusive predators Mercy and Roadhog are salivating at the possibility and have been on this Earth more than those poor innocent naive helpless childlike creatures Pharah and Junkrat, therefore to ship them together means you literally get off to exploiting literal children.

Rather than admit that they don't like it for personal reasons like just finding it gross (which they are entitled to do) they'd prefer to come up with a tortuous justification to go on a puritanical crusade forcing anyone who does like it to stop forever and ever because it's some sort of objective crime against humanity (which they are not).
And now what the hell are you even talking about, holy shit. Thread got weird.
The hot new Social Justice (TM) meme in Tumblr shipping circles at the moment is to call any pairing you don't like pedophilia regardless of whether it even applies or not. And the more it obviously doesn't the more you will go to tortuous lengths to prove why it totally does, and to accuse anyone who's calling you out on being ridiculous of being pro-child abuse and who should have have their inbox flooded with gorepics, their personal information sent to the FBI, and murdered.

This stupid argument is basically ripped directly from the wankiest instances of that, to the point I wonder if it's a particularly "inspired" troll falseflagging moral outrage to drum up drama for shits and giggles.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

I would not be surprised. That said: At least it is some form of activity, right?
So then your actual argument seems to be "don't apply critical thought to Samurai Jack because I don't respect it as a piece of befits. "

Incidentally they MST3k mantra is meant to discourage wobbling about physics that aren't really relevant to the story--it would be hypocritical of a show like MST3k to say that questioning sloppy narrative's ramifications on characterization and unintended messages is silly given that those things are the source of 90% of MST3k's comedy.
Problem is, these "unintended messages" are all in your head. It is very obvious for everybody watching the show that Jack isn't this perverted pedophile rapist you are trying to construct.
I didn't actually use any of those words. I think you're just over defensive about having things you like criticized.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Criticising the show’s pacing in regards to Ashi’s characterisation and such is all well and good. It is a legitimate and credible argument. But you have argued that her rushed characterisation makes Jack an ostensible rapist for sharing a kiss with her, which takes a legitimate criticism and turns it into an exercise in absurdity.

If you want to die on this hill, you should prepare to die alone.
Jack is the source of literally all of Ashi's information about what healthy / affectionate relationships look like. She was given no context by her parents or upbringing to understand how social interactions are meant to work, and was given no social life for her entire life.

The first person who gave her any guidance in those areas is now banging her. Jack has put himself into the role of a teacher for her, and in fact it would not be hard to argue he has put himself into the role of a father figure for her. Are you honestly professing not to understand the problem in a teacher or parent fucking their student / child, regardless of age?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

You know, not that this couldn’t be an interesting discussion, but I can see that you plan to die on this hill no matter what anyone says. You have fun defending it from invaders and shit. I will be over on some other hill watching the last two episodes of the show.
Mister Twister
You have not watched the show with over 20% attention it seems. She walked the earth, talked to people, and saw that Jack was right about everything. And you know what else? She observed nature, and let it speak to her. Trees, flowers, birds and butterflies taught her tons of shit.
>Jack has put himself into the role of a teacher for her

No, she put him in that role. Jack left her to her own devices, and Ashi insisted on following him.
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I’ll just leave this here.
Seems like you wanted to argue more after all.
Well it didn't play it 100% straight since Aku possessed her outright and he surrendered for the time being, but it's close enough that I'm still disappointed anyway.
You literally pulled a smaller-scale
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Mister Twister
I don't know how it is possible to properly conclude everything in 22 minutes.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Aside from the series-spanning conflict of Jack vs Aku and the season-long Ashi storyline—both of which will be resolved by the end credits—what the hell else is there to “conclude” that would require another episode?
Where the fuck is the Scotsman.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Aku killed him in an earlier episode.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
And his ghost is leading his family as they search for Jack.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Bittersweet, but ultimately satisfying. Thank you for everything, Genndy.

he undid the future that was aku
Don't want to bring down anyone but have to agree with the more vocal posters on 4chan proper that in the end that Aishi was a negative addition to the show knocking-off TTGL's ending was just the last straw.
Not even touching that. They seem to all lose their shit because it wasn't what they'd imagined the finale season would be.

So we've got those idiots putting this on the same rage level as Korra.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
So I guess Jack is still immortal, then? Wonder whether he'll stay in his village and become Emperor or keep wandering, just in his own time.

Gets bored finds the Guardian in his time.

Wacha Back From the Past.

Guardian pops him down like right before he jumps through to the past.

Things change. Jack walks down to the street and runs into a gaggle of girls all chatting and walking along.

Bumps into one knocking her phone out of her hand.

"Excuse me miss."

Jack picks up the phone.

It has a ladybug strap.
I don't dislike her but having her turning good was extremely rushed and having her become a full love interest instead of staying a mostly platonic one with some hints of UST at most was a bad idea. A lot of the scenes with her didn't really add anything interesting besides an excuse for cameos and her most useful role as someone for Jack to consistently talk to and get over his angst through wasn't well utilized either since the Omen subplot was handled so badly.
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Mister Twister
Watched the final episode, just ONE week late.

Nice to see my prediction come true.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

God, are you still salty about the “Rick & Morty” thing? Get the fuck over it, man.
Mister Twister
What? I don't watch Rick & Morty, what are you even on about.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

You said “Watched the final episode, just ONE week late”. The finalé was technically delayed by a week because of the April Fools’ “Rick & Morty” surprise. Bringing up the “one week late” idea implies that you are still upset about “Samurai Jack” getting delayed by a week because [adult swim] decided to surprise viewers with a new “Rick & Morty” episode. I mean, the finalé only actually aired this past Saturday night, not eight nights ago.
Mister Twister
Actually, we are both wrong. My brain dropped to 10% efficiency due to reasons, and while writing the post, I wrote "week" instead of "day".
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Ah, fair enough; I apologise for assuming the worst.
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So, I've mentioned this on regular /co/, but at the risk of sounding dense, I legit liked the ending.

What I soaked in the most with this ending was its visuals, since visual storytelling is what the show seems to excel at and places a bit more value on it than dialogue.

I felt that it was conveyed that Ashi suspected that she would die when killing Aku. Knowing this, she still went through with the plan, and in dying, she restored the world to the beauty and wonder that Jack once knew and believed that he would never see again. Making the world beautiful again as her last gift to him is something I found to be incredibly romantic, and I feel that the scene at the end under the tree was really beautiful and captured the sentiment well, particularly being a callback to the scene where Jack first shows Ashi the lone tree in Aku's wasteland, except now surrounded by vibrant life instead of death.

I also liked Ashi's journey.
She was preprogrammed to eliminate Jack like so many of the robots we saw in the original run, and artistically I loved watching her transform from that to what she became at the end.
I found it poetic that someone born in darkness that secretly always yearned for the beauty of the world to be shown that beauty by a man and then be the one to restore it for him and everyone else.

Also, I've started a rewatch of the season, which is helping me appreciate these things more.

Not saying it's the deepest thing ever, or that it was perfect, but I just found a lot of beauty to it that most of the criticisms don't address, and I found it more satisfying than not personally.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Something you might have missed: Everyone else may have figured out that helping Jack would erase their lives, too. In his message to the world, Aku said that Jack was trying to “undo the future that is Aku”. Helping Jack get back to the past would likely undo their lives as well—and yet, when the time came, nearly everyone Jack had helped along his journey rushed at Aku’s tower to return the favor.

All those people and creatures decided they would rather not exist than live one more moment under the tyranny of Aku. They gave up their lives—their entire existence—to help Jack undo Aku’s future. “Badass” does not even begin to describe that shit.
Samurai Jack has always been a really impressionistic series, for better or for worse. It stumbles a lot on the minutiae but the high concepts tend to be solid.
Mister Twister
So, anons keep bringing up that Ashi was basically taken from Genndy's dream, making her his dream waifu.

I read that article that is supposedly the source, but it merely said Genndy had dreams of himself being a samurai and having adventures with a girl he liked at the time.
A complaint I came across was that it was cruel and selfish for Jack and Ashi to erase them from existence (possibly, we can't know for sure who among them if any would exist in the future now), but like you said, I felt it was pretty evident that all of them felt that a future without Aku, even if it meant it was a future without them in it, was one that was worth fighting for.

Jack had chances to return to the past before this, but he would usually put others before his mission. In a sense it felt fitting that everyone he touched would help him achieve his goal. Especially Ashi, the one he changed the most, being the one to actually do it.
Mister Twister
That actually makes me think. He would rather save someone in the future than go back to the past................
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Jack could not have known that Ashi would inherit the powers of Aku. His attempts to save Ashi were thus rooted in a belief that he would never return to the past.
Another criticism I read was that Ashi should've died in the future from Aku being defeated in the future first, or she should've pushed Jack through the portal so he would tragically go back to the past alone to avoid the time paradox death. But I guess the time paradox death didn't bother me as much as it did them.
I feel that Jack being given the knowledge that killing Aku would make people--particularly Ashi--disappear, or being separated from her, would make him too distraught to kill Aku in the past, given that he prioritizes saving people from the future over fulfilling his quest.

Also, to address another complaint, I don't have as big a problem with Jack's "I love you!" saving them, considering that overcoming his anger and hate was a big theme for him this season, and the fact that loving someone born from the source of his hatred saved him felt kind of like a poetic culmination of that arc.

I mean, I'm no writer, so I won't say that it couldn't have been done a different way, but I was happy with what we got.
Did not like that after 5 seasons of buildup, Aku went down like a chump, easily killed off...
You'd probably go down like a chump too if immediately after barely surviving a fight with a guy you are then accosted by him after 50 years of level grinding.
Aku was thoroughly stomping everyone in the future. Also, I found it fitting, considering that he always get away from Jack because of his tendency to fight dirty, but this time it finally came back to bite him.