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''' "Zootopia thread" '''
http://goodchoice.science/zootopias-directors-are-already-thinking-about-sequel-possibilities/
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Today begins the Zoo Year's countdown
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>>240801
>pig cop

That made my day. Thank you.
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>>240802
That...That's a rhino.
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>>240802
>>240808
And the other one is a tiger.
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>>240811
And this one is a pig
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>>240813
It could be a giant thumb for all I see.
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>>240851
heh, that lil' Zebra is carrying a Mickey plush.
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Some of those puns are very unfunny.

/opinion
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>>240928
And the film isn't really promising, but we all want to fap to it. Face the truth.
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Mister Twister
>>240961
>not really promising
Speak for yourself, I think the premise could make for a great story.
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>>241015
The fact the smile has 0 effect on the eyes breaks the face for me.

To elaborate, whenever you smile, it distorts the parts of the face adjacent to it, and sometimes the entire face.
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Replies:>>241024
The fandom kills this for me before it started. Gratz. I'll never play Undertale, too. Thanks.
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>241023

>letting other people ruin media for you

You are one dumb bastard.
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T4 was here
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My family love the sloth scene when it was preview on the swedish Kalle Anka's Jul.
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Anonymous
>>241025
It was made so that everyone loves it, not just us furfag creeps. That's why it feels boring, without edge and already got a shitty fanbase. Typical Disney nowadays. It's Tangled and Frozen all over again and looks, despite they are animals, exactly the same (except here it's more confortable, on humans those faces look disturbing).

Harmless, no controversy. Maybe at the end GASP sisters will kissing! Or GASP the fox is the villian all along and the sloth scene already spoils how he wants to sabotage her police work!
SO new! SO unexpected! No wonder they keep having more success than Dreamworks, with their stupid trailers which don't actually lie what movies are about.
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>>241028

You...you actually expect a Disney movie to be edgy?
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>>241028
You are an exhausting human being.
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>>241028
If by "edgy" you mean "murder and sex everywhere", then thank God it's not edgy.
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>>241032
No, I mean "with ANYTHING interesting making it stand out from the others". And I'm not talking about "OH SHIT the princess has to be kissed by a woman! YES that will show you, men! This will be all over my tumblr!"
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>>241030
Hey, at least I know I am, unlike 80% of the fans.
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>>241029
Since all of you fuckers use that word wrong because you stay too long on shit like 4chan and 9fag...
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>>241037
>>241038
The Burn Duo.
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>>241046
Nice, so there will be toys, thankfully.
Shrewd Godfather is hilarious. :)
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preview of Try Everything by Shakira
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the official trailer
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Nice! Seems like they will actually bother to explain the whole "how come predator and prey coexist peacefully" thing.
Bit odd though that it seems Shakira-gazelle lady is the only animal female in this universe who has boobs (as evident in the scenes where the animals go "naturelle"...
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I want to hate it but my dick says otherwise.
Micheal Bluth Fox's smugness seems infinite.
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Latecomer
Thank goodness no birds or reptiles! Anthropomorphisizing those tends to dive into the uncanny valley, Yuck.
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>>241179
DJUUDEEEEEEE HOPPPPPPPSU!
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witness the rise of the furry dynasty
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>>241205

That anything like Talpa’s Dynasty?
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>>241348
Holy crap that is the most generically drawn furry face I seen in months.
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heard some store got the books in early. Prepare for leaks.
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>>241369
It's Star Wars all over again, only on a much smaller scale.
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>>241371
My dick is on a much bigger scale for this than for Star Wars.
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>>241408
>2nd video
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Shame traditional is toast even though Computers would make that a lot faster
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Mister Twister
>>241417
"2D is dead" is a MEME.

It was a meme, is a meme, and always be a meme.
>>241418
At least, until we finally take down big 3D and stop them from keeping 2D down.
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>>241418
My point is that updating their toolset could make them stand up against the CGI crowd. Titmouse made some awesome tools for working in flash. Seen plenty that use Digital Animation to make some great animations. And that is why needs to be showcased to the executives that are still decades behind in their thinking on what traditional animation would take.

If Walt was around and knew he could condense some of the animation procedure to just on just one instrument (table with digitizer) I think he'd be all for it.
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>>241420
>if Walt was around
Walt was never the Lord and Savior. I think it's about time people stop worshiping him as the God of Animation.

Anyway, /derail

Back on topic. How do you think your theater experience will be?
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Latecomer
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>>241421
Utter garbage, assuming the DMV was the "good part" to be put in a trailer.
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music video
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Mister Twister
>>241433
GAARGH, don't want to see the entire movie in short clips. So many previews, too many.
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>>241423
Between kids and their moms, I'll be sitting there with a pokerface and a boner hidden under my popcorn bag, winking at the other perverted fucks sitting in the audience.
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>>241435
That is the most embarrassing thing I've heard in some time.
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Anonymous
Thats why I posted it, Sherlock. Now back to enjoying Judy's sweet ass.
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>>241526
This trailer is the best, but the final 15 seconds didn't have to be there.
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>>241565
Somehow that drawing is less generic than the final product.
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Like the headgear
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>>241630
HOW
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>>241640
So, she's gong to be Mayor by the end isn't sheep
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>>241670

This will spoil the movie for you but, she is the big bad in the movie and the lion mayor is her puppet.
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>>241671
Cute.
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Anonymous !FapssPENnY
Just saw the trailers for the first time (I missed the hype train) and this show is baiting every audience. And that is not a bad thing at all.

>personal struggles vs "you can accomplish anything" disney feel
>legitimate feminism
>good cop bad cop form a deep relationship
>mafia family plays a role
>simple slapstick/fun comedy (for the kids)
>lots of anthro animals (great for kids and furries. you know they know it)

and that's just from first glance. Honestly, I will be surprised if they fit all the stuff I've seen into one 2hr movie. It seems a little bit of everything. I completely understand the hype. It's the next Frozen for sure still haven't seen frozen lol, but i went to a general on /trash/ once and they were cool.
No.241700
Anonymous
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No.241718
Anonymous
Replies:>>241719
>>241700
I get it.
No.241719
T4 was here
>>241718
Oh, is it the club from THAT one music video with the cats and dogs n shit?
No.241725
Mister Twister
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Okay, now I actually want to see it.
No.241788
Mister Twister
Replies:>>241803
It was great.

I expected it to be just good (for reasons).

But it was great, and maybe even amazing. Certainly the best movie released by Disney in a while.
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Anonymous
>>241788
Oh good. I better stay away from spoilers.

>inb4 trying to spoil
I don't visit this board regularly and also you might bet janitor'd for spoilers anyway.
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Anonymous
Replies:>>241846
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http://shiyoonkim.tumblr.com/
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No.241846
Mister Twister
>>241843
Now that is how you combine human and animal proportions into one.
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Anonymous
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judy was really
really
adorable
No.241849
Mister Twister
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I know there is a fanart thread, but it probably fits here more.
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try everything music video
//youtube.com/watch?v=c6rP-YP4c5Iyoutube thumb
No.241883
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>241891
This movie is going to create so many furries in the next decade.
No.241891
Mister Twister
>>241883
You are the 8923675816371917619236572016917658015678023567th person to say that, and we don't even have that many people on this planet.
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Anonymous
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No.241895
Mister Twister
>>241894
DK fans have made like a 100 variations of this meme already.

Please don't post them.
No.241917
Mister Twister
>>241915
They could have have the movie look like that, but NOOOOOOO!
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Mister Twister
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Reposting the reblog.

I riked it.
No.241924
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>241923

:3
No.241930
Anonymous
Replies:>>241946
>>241923

The heroes for those without a voice.

Wonder how Darkwing Would be handled. Needs to have a wanted poster up in the Police Dept

Have Baloo Talespin edition also have a poster for Smuggling.
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Anonymous
>>241930
Actually that also makes me wonder if Birds have their own society too, since Zootopia is made up of mammals.
Maybe it's called Buenos Aves or something.
No.241949
Mister Twister
>>241946
Actually, I wish some aminals remained unevolved. This way you can still have hamburgers.
No.241953
Anonymous
>>241946
No reptiles either. The movie was a racist anti-racist movie. :P
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Anonymous
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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Anonymous
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https://dancingwithgazelle.com/in
No.242018
Mister Twister
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/co/ threads are amazing. Love them.
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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No.242042
Snes !v68zTeBMI.
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No.242043
Mister Twister
>>242042
Button noses in humanizations is cheating.
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Replies:>>242052
Wow, I knew animals was a metaphor for racism, but It's shockingly up front about it.
Literally; I could hear actual shock from the adults in the theater.
No.242052
Mister Twister
Replies:>>242054
>>242051
Prejudice is not racism. Prejudice is prejudice. People can interpret things however they want.

Bunnies represent bunnies.
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>>242052
Oh right, that's a better word.
Especially since her problems in the police force is clearly more analogous to sexism than racism.
No.242055
Mister Twister
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>>242054
Well, The Police will hire who is capable, not who is willing. Cannot blame them for that.
No.242056
Anonymous
Replies:>>242057
>>242055
The police are notorious for hiring people who are completely incompetent far more than they hire people who are any good at their jobs.
No.242057
Mister Twister
Replies:>>242058
>>242056
I meant in the movie's universe. Please don't bring real life problems into this.
No.242058
Anonymous
Replies:>>242066
>>242057
It's kind of hard to discuss the symbolism and/or message of a movie without discussing the real world problems that one suspects it is commenting on. You pretty much have to put your fingers in your ears and shout "THIS MOVIE WASN'T WRITTEN BY HUMANS LIVING IN THE HUMAN WORLD AND REACTING TO THE REALITY THEY LIVE IN, IT IS A DOCUMENTARY FROM AN ALTERNATE REALITY AND EVERYTHING IN IT IS COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THE REAL WORLD."
Replies:>>242060
It's also a movie about how great smart phones are and how useful it is that Apple added a built in feature to iOS to turn on the camera flash so you always have a flashlight on you.
No.242060
Anonymous
>>242059
inb4AndroidHasItToo
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Anonymous
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No.242066
Mister Twister
>>242058
You do realize that line of thought can easily lead to a /pol/ derail, right?
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Anonymous
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>>242040
No.242071
Anonymous
Replies:>>242072
a deleted scene
https://twitter.com/angam0414/status/710242562502569984
Replies:>>242093
>>242071
Is this from when Nick was the primary protagonist?
No.242079
Anonymous
Replies:>>242080
>>242070
This better ends up being porn.
No.242080
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>242081
>>242079

Rick Griffin doesn’t draw porn. At most, he’ll draw pinup cheesecake pics, but even those don’t show off “naughty bits”.
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>>242080
It's Zootopia; they don't have any naughty bits to begin with.
No.242082
Mister Twister
Replies:>>242083
>>242081
If I could, I would take the movie and put censor bars where they belong.

It would be my "Superior Edit".
No.242093
Anonymous
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>>242072
yes
No.242107
Anonymous
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>>242070
No.242110
Anonymous
Replies:>>242111
hi-res wallpaper
http://i.imgur.com/5UrbDoj.jpg
No.242111
Mister Twister
>>242110
And yet, it is square when almost no modern monitors are.
No.242154
Anonymous
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No.242155
Anonymous
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>>242154
stop turning me gay for Gazelle damnit
No.242156
Mister Twister
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>>242155
+4 not being a sausage fest confirmed!
No.242157
Anonymous
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>>242156
Jesus, Twister, this isn't 1992.
No.242158
Mister Twister
>>242157
Thank you for being serious and technical.
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Anonymous
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>>242107
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No.242167
Mister Twister
>>242164
That is... almost too furry to even post here.

But..... I don't know.
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
>>242164
Ugh, the two on the right are way too stereotypical donut steels compared to Gazelle. At least the types of furries that show up in Zootopia showed some restraint with the designs instead of being dolled up like scenesters.
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Mister Twister
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No.242175
Anonymous
>>241970
Got more of this? For whatever reason I find the realistic style animals even cuter than the intentionally cute cartoon design.
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Anonymous
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>>242163
No.242187
Anonymous
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>>242186
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>>242187
No.242211
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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Still the perfect meme.
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Anonymous
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No.242226
T4 was here
Saw it today. Was great!
Had zero issues with the swedish dub.
Will get DVD.
No.242231
Mister Twister
>>242018
Found part 1:
http://frozenspots.deviantart.com/art/First-aid-597888577
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No.242240
T4 was here
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No.242248
T4 was here
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The cameo I want for Zootopia 2.
No.242252
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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>>242252
The fandom are THE faggots.

Seriously I don't wanna end up hating it as much as Frozen. The fandom is already on MLP levels.
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T4 was here
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>>242255
*pfffth*
>already
We furries were shit to start with.
There is no going back now.
No.242258
Anonymous
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>>242240
Did they ever explain how interspecies romance works in this world?
No.242260
T4 was here
>>242258
No.
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Anonymous
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>>242219
where did ya find these?
No.242272
Anonymous
>>242271
http://shiyoonkim.tumblr.com/
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Anonymous
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>>242276
>>242276
>>242276
>>242276
>>242276
>>242276
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>>242311
Must have messed up the timing when I edited to remove the frame shaking, sorry for not being able to delete that version.
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Anonymous
No matter how shit the stuff posted here is, it wont ruin the movie for me.
And man... there is some shit in here.

Thanks tumblr.
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Well, I finally saw it in cinema. It lived up to the hype.

Brilliant animation, well-written, funny jokes both advanced and for kids without much reliance on slapstick or Ice-Age cheesy humour, and not too in-your-face with messages while still being good for the children.

I knew it would be somewhat dark in places due to the trailer, but the bright cynicism right off the bat was right down my alley. Some bits were predictable but likewise some predictions were averted. Overall, 9/10, will show to my children if I ever have any. Maybe I'll even buy this movie, who knows?

Also, picture somewhat relevant
No.242407
Anonymous
Replies:>>242412
Rarity and a stallion would actually be rare, why didn't that guy just draw that instead of make a joke.
No.242412
Mister Twister
>>242407
I think that joke is 10/10 funny.
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Anonymous
Awful.

I've drawn crap like that my whole life, but as long as it's related to nothing, nobody fucking cares.
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No.242481
Mister Twister
Replies:>>242482
Oh well, finally watched it LEGALLY with family.

Everyone at least liked it.

I still wanted to strangle the song.
No.242482
Anonymous
>>242481
>LEGALLY
Did you pirate it before? Where from? I could only find ones that commenters all said were shitty visuals and audio. It's half the reason I actually went out and saw it in cinema.

>I still wanted to [x] the [y].
Good, it wasn't just me. Go kids, and whatever, but it wasn't great.
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Anonymous
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I don't think its been posted yet.
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No.242498
Mister Twister
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>>242490
Many many times, just not here.
No.242503
Anonymous
>>242498
well of course, but I meant here
No.242516
Anonymous
Replies:>>242521
So sick of that old fart jumping on that bandwagon and not drawing porn of it. So desperate.
No.242520
Anonymous
>242516

He's taking the characters seriously and writing new, in-character dialogue for them as they discuss a subject in a mature manner.

If he wanted to make porn of them he could sign it with "Tigerskunk", like he does when he makes porn of other copyrighted characters. He's not playing coy or beating around the bush, he wants to try to create some quality fan material based on a movie he loves.
No.242521
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>242516

Yes, God forbid he draw clean fanart of a movie he liked. He should do porn just so you’ll be happy. He should cater exclusively to you. Why isn’t he doing what you want him to do, huh? What makes his desire to draw clean Zootopia fanart more important than your desire to see him draw smutty Zootopia fanart?

Go sit on a giant ice cube for ten hours and think about how much of an entitled ass you’ve been.
No.242522
T4 was here
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Haha what.
No.242523
Mister Twister
>>242522
This movie is in a dire need for black bars.
No.242531
Anonymous
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>>242522
context? why would this need to be written anywhere ever? is it a movie review?
No.242537
Mister Twister
>>242531
It's obviously the novelization for babies (aka junior novelization).
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Mister Twister
>>242539
YESYESYESYESYES
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Anonymous
>>242539
Hey look, a crossover that actually makes sense!
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Anonymous
>>242622
Nice job
No.242628
Mister Twister
>>242622
That guy is my new idol.
No.242638
MESIAS
Replies:>>242644
>>242623
I hope this movie does well in Japan.
No.242644
Anonymous
>>242638
Fuck yes. They do wonderful stuff with cute characters.
No.242658
Anonymous
Replies:>>242719
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No.242659
Anonymous
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No.242719
Anonymous
>>242658
This is, I kid you not, the first non-sappy, non-vomit inducing SFW fanart of Zootopia I've ever seen. And I see that shit every 5 seconds, literally.
No.422933
Anonymous
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Is Officer Judy Hopps unlawful good?
>insubordinate to ranking officer
>tells other officers she 'has dibs' on a criminal
>commits blackmail twice (ice cream parlour, Nick Wilde)
>commits entrapment (Nick's trespass on Tundra Town Limo Service)
>commits criminal trespass to a vehicle (entering limousine sans warrant, admits she needs probable cause to enter property but has none for the limo)
>trespass to Cliffside might be a search with probable cause?
>entrapment (kidnap and torture of Duke Weaselton)
>vehicle theft (train)
>assault and/or manslaughter (kicking a ram off a moving train)
>trespass (the museum was clearly closed for renovations)
No.422935
Anonymous
>>422933
edit: second entrapment may not be entrapment (wasn't for the sake of arresting/prosecuting)
No.422936
Anonymous
>>422933
You forgot to mention she's in bed with the mafia
No.422941
Mstr Twstr
Replies:>>422942
>>422933
>fuck the rules, I'm doing what's right
Sounds based to me.
No.422942
Anonymous
>>422941
But she doesnt do whats right, the ones earlier on were often done out of pique or racism.