Why the fuck does Superman even need a redesign? He's one of the things that's so grandfathered that it looks shit whenever you try something different. Look at Man of Steel and how terrible that costume looked.
>>234936 His classic Red and Blues set him apart an also as a good contrast to Bruce and his Greys and Blues/Blacks. Making him look a lot like Conner, I've got no idea where they are intending to go with him. I mean his suit always had a story and was part of his process in becoming a hero. Bumming around in a T-shirt and Jeans I don't know what that is supposed to convey.
Diana would look okay, if she was one of the New Gods or something. Someone from space and not Pantheon connected Demi-god.
>>234939 Hopefully Conner switches back to something more like his original costume, or at least slims back down to ottermode instead of being such a lazy Supes clone (yeah yeah I know, but he was great in his Young Justice days precisely because wasn't one).
>>234940 >all this talk about best Superboy Probably a little late, but good news guys. Also on a kind of offtopic note am I the only one who's reminded of Kon a little with Joseph Joestar? So does Kamina from TTGL too to a lesser extent.
>>234943 I always felt that Kon originally started as a PG version of Joseph. I hated the sudden transformation into a "jock with a heart of gold" that Johns brought out of nowhere on his run of the Titans.
>>234943 They even look a little similar in terms of hairstyle and body type in YJ (at least towards the end of Part 2, when Araki started moving away from the Liefeld proportions). >Next thing you're going to say is "Tactile telekinesis!" >Tactile teleki-BRUH >BRUH >And then they went out for a night on the town.
>>234958 "more of the same"? How? Convergence is leading to the end of the New52 brand, with post-Convergence books emphasizing "story over continuity." Admittedly, I don't know well that idea will be executed, but the fact that DiDio and company are saying something like this AT ALL gives me some hope.
>>234966 I think it's ridiculous that anyone still falls for it, I got fucked by DC for years before i figured out every "big earth shattering event" is more of the same shit with the added bonus of ruining what you are reading, they are no different now than they were in 2005 and once they fuck you in the ass enough times maybe you'll wise up.
Not that Marvel is any better, poor Miles, he has yet to have a series not get ruined by this shit.
>>234969 Those hires are great and definitely a heartening step in the right direction, but DC has one of the most notorious histories of mistreating it's creators in the entire industry, many of those horror stories coming out of just the last two years, once DC proves it can treat it's creators well then it can have some credit for that.
>>234971 People actually went to Man Of Steel, DC's PR is Godlike in that they somehow manage to make everyone forget everything about what the just said and did despite it making everyone miserable.
It works but with each passing disappointment the general populace hates and misunderstands everything about DC more and more, at least Marvel is able to capitalize and gain in public perception unlike DC which has consistently lost popularity and gained negativity since the death of Superman.
>>234974 Even if you liked Man Of Steel, from both a comicbook and movie standard it was an objectively mediocre movie sprinkled with disgusting insulting moments like Johnathan's death.
>>234976 I'm a 25 year old grade school teacher, they've been promising it since I was in high-school, I can actively remember a Dan Didio promise of the same shit running concurrently with the Naruto anime coming out and the whole school blowing up with love for Naruto.
I like this way of doing a darker Justice League, with characters that are Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in name only with totally different backstories instead of just going the "One bad day" route.
>>235019 I feel like this is a good idea that corporate assholes are going to turn into a disgustingly insultingly sexist line. I want to be optimistic for it, but the art style and Mattel both make me wonder how much of this is genuine integration and how much is just the Girl Legos all over again.
>>235029 Same here. There's been a fair increase in competent series aimed women as of late, but the real barrier that ought to be crossed is in making women-centric series that are marketed and appeal towards both gender audiences. Steven Universe and arguably Korra have been doing decently in that regard so it's not like it's an intractable problem, but tell that to the bigwigs up at top.
>>235032 >Or Maleficent for that matter. It's the same concept in a different structure. Villainess isn't really evil, just misunderstood. Same with Frozen in a way. Especially if you look at the source material.
But at least with Medusa there's actual reasoning behind it rather than 'we want to write this being of supernatural evil to be a good guy'.
>>235051 It's a fantastic costume. I'm just not sure it's a great Wonder Woman costume, though it's aesthetically more pleasing than most of her previous ones. I guess a good way to put it is Tim Drake wearing Ollie's costume or something. Good design, but unfitting.
Lemme guess he's going to go all Fight Club and get a personality disorder over all this. Edgy superman is shit. Sad and morose Clark because of loss or feelings that he's lost is fine. But "Street Justice" Superman..eh.
It's all the same garbage really, it's the comicbook equivalent of a shonen tournament arc, except with no fun power-ups and your favorite characters get brutally murdered and disrespected only to be resurrected and pissed on more later.
In shonen they just skip the death and SRSBSNS tone.
Personally, I'm ok with WW being Woman of Murder; It's nice in short burst to get the "why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker?" taste out of my mouth. But not utilizing your mutliverse to show the kinder/softer side of her is a waste of potential.
>>235628 The Big Three are all fucked up, Superman and Wonder Woman, the two of the three that should most refrain from killing are now more than happy enough to kill and destroy while Batman is literally laughable, plus I can't think of a book that exists that is more insulting than Superman/Wonder Woman, I'd sooner read fucking Bomb queen.
>>235630 >The Big Three are all fucked up, Superman and Wonder Woman, the two of the three that should most refrain from killing are now more than happy enough to kill Where are you getting this? Seriously, where? As awful as Finch's WW is, it still doesn't feature Diana killing people left and right. And the Superman books have been pretty decent for a while, but you would know this if, oh I don't know, you ACTUALLY READ THE COMICS. Or at the very least did some quick research.
>>235632 Man, I have been reading with a seething anger that is not healthy since 2005, if anything I should REALLY stop, I know WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much, I have seen each character ruining moment in agony.
>>235631 Bombqueen would feel less like pulling my own fingernails off because I already hate Bombqueen so it's not like watching something I love get turned into something I loathe.
TL;DR This is me expressing immense frustration more so than actual criticism of comics that are not actually terrible, but PAINFULLY PAINFULLY mediocre comics that miss the point of the characters their about completely.
>>235903 >But WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE ART?! All these books have sub-webcomic art hahaha what?
The ONLY comic that kind of fits that description is Bizarro, and its art doesn't look all that different from DC's other kid-friendly books.
Kurder (Action) and Fabok (JL) don't put out stuff that resembles typical webcomic art at all. While Green Arrow and Midnighter definitely had some Poser-y art, the latter had great panel layouts and the former was competent enough.
>>235921 At first I thought it was the usual Tiki hyperbole but wow you really weren't kidding about the faces. GL doesn't seem too bad, although the the Heavy Weapons Guy proportions, alien guy's dislocated waist, and 90s aesthetic are offputting.
>>236048 That was seriously underwhelming. Tried too hard to go gritty but nothing really interesting to offer. I'm surprised it's actually from Timm, although I guess Dini was the bigger powerhouse in the DCAU.
>>236073 Cool that Waller became la presidente. Can't think of any other normie in the DCverse who'd be in a better position for it. Can't help but feel like this whole short was aimed at people who didn't like Man of Steel.
>>236129 Fight scene was OK, and Gigantia has a neat design aside from the pointless robo-nipples. Still not very good and the sex jokes were cringeworthy as fuck. This whole entire thing reeks of "look how 'mature' we are!" and the Superman one was the best of the lot because it went the least overboard with it, though it still suffered from not being very interesting.
I read about his plans for Wonder Woman. He sounds like he has a real grasp on how to set Wonder Woman apart from other modern comics of its ilk, and I'm really interested in seeing what he does with this run.
>>237357 >she can't fly fast She can fly fast because of Hermes' gift >and an invisible jet is REALLY useful for not being spotted. Yeah. You can't see the jet but you could always see her sitting inside of it.
>>237364 I wouldn't mind more King Plasto, with recent advances in materials science I think there's a lot going for the idea of a guy who makes a kingdom out of plastics. That assassin who really hates Worcestershire sauce not so much.
>>237362 The last time the jet has even been used was for Steve Trevor's JLA as a flying cargo plane turned into a base. I don't think they even given Wonder Woman a invisible jet in comics for over a decade since she can fly. >>237364 This was happening when it was still just a plane long before the Superfriends existed. Even the 70s TV show had her in a see-through plane.
OH MY GOD, I LIKE A DC BOOK! NO CAVEATS, IT'S JUST A FUCKING INCREDIBLE BOOK!
Okay so the gist is that the Martian Manhunter we knew was never "real" he was an engineered super powered White Martian sleeper agent sent to spy on Super Heroes as they quietly seeded White Martians whose transformation tech is so good that in human for they are undetectable, somewhere along the way he actually became a superhero before the signal for war came down, he could feel that signal driving him to murder everyone like the other sleepers have already started to do and understanding how much more powerful he is than the entire Justice League he took himself out, the fake hero becoming a true one in death.
Anyway, whether the rumors are true or not, DC being in a pitiful state while Marvel is ranking in the big bucks just highlights how much DC screwed up with the reboot. Blew their chances starting off fresh and blew their chance of being competitive.
>>238112 >DC is literally betting all their money on Frank Miller's Dark Night 3 The Master Race...holy shit Is that the actual name of the book or has Frank Miller's actually become a parody of himself?
>>238121 Reboot is just so strange tones that varied wildly from comics to comics and the mandates that cripple long term character development (and by that reader interest). Really I've found Street Level Supes to be the most interesting thing they've done. Its pretty much "What if Clark didn't hide and was just himself"
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2015/07/09/dc-entertainment-provides-new-details-for-dark-knight-iii-the-master-race >it's fucking real >the anons above me aren't just leading people on for shits and giggles
Also they are moving to Burbank, be interesting to see what happens from there. Means both Marvel and DC and out of New York now. I think only Disney has some offices left there but everyone else is gone.
>>238252 If it makes you feel any better, that is not the usual artist for that book. While I'm not super into this specific type of art, I'm glad DC is putting out non-house-style artwork. >>238255 I'll take that guy over Greg Land any day of week.
So apparently, in addition to being a black kid who hates the Flash, New 52 Wally West is also gay.
It honestly feels kinda like the Ship of Theseus here. How many parts of a thing can you change and claim that it is still the same thing, y'know? Like, if they wanted a gay black Flash... why the hell didn't they just come up with a new damn name for him when he has nothing in common with the old character but the most superficial interchangeable bit, the name Wally West.
>>238804 I really don't mind Wally being black, and honestly I could buy him even being gay under another writer. But I pity whoever has to follow Venditti and Booth; they have absolutely no idea what they're doing and they're just making this huge jumbled mess of a story. The Finches are awful too, but they can at least partially blame WW's editorial.
>>238804 He's also still Iris's nephew. But basically this. Progress is great, but when you're going to change this much about a character, especially one people liked, it would've been just better to make a new one and focus on them instead. While I'm not a fan of racebending and all that jazz, at the end of the day I can learn to get used to it if it's done well. But what bothers me about the new Wally is that EVERYTHING took a huge 180 turn, especially the stuff that really matters like his personality and history. Now he's an unlikable jerk and his stereotype background cancels out any goodwill they were hoping to achieve with the change. They could've at least used a modern day Jenni Ognats or something.
>>238807 They are really terrible and yeah you can piece it together what they were trying to do, Turn him black = Connect him to Iris Allen on the show which makes little sense considering comics Iris is still white, Gay = naked grab for more attention as well as their own spin.
What gets me though is that it has some really racist connotations of "white republican sorts out troubled black youth."
I stopped reading DC round 2005, but it seems like they've been pushing Katana really hard since then. Don't really know why since her backstory, abilities, and design seem pretty dull. If it's about Asian representation then Cassie Cain or Lady Shiva (she's not that much more cliche than Katana) would've also been great.
>>239038 >Cassie Cain She was part of the group that they didn't want to bring back but then they did. Be glad she was part of the Batfam or they would have screwed up her debut like they did with Donna Troy. >Lady Shiva IMO choosing Katana or Lady Shiva is like Marvel choosing Iron Fist over Shang-chi. Her backstory is less dull than Lady Shiva and people like katanas, plus I think they don't want a girl who is a better fighter than Batman.
And if they actually wanted to push her, they wouldn't have given her this design
>>240829 That what I/we love about her. To bad today climate is not okay with that(because of character updates and development not swj btw, unless they hate naturism) or as we saw in Red Hood and Outlaws, cant pull it off.
The way I would sell it would be to make more funny, less sexy. But I guess thats what her new comic is doing.
"The past few years have been difficult for DC Comics. Since the boom of the New 52, which per DC’s own estimates increased their readership by 25% in terms of lapsed readers and 5% of new readers, things have gotten a good deal uglier. In November 2015, DC held a retail market share of 26.35% to Marvel’s 43.2%. If it wasn’t for Dark Knight III: The Master Race, DC wouldn’t have even appeared in the Diamond Top 10 that month. In October, things were even worse, with DC holding only a 21.85% retail market share. Sadly, while the “DC You” initiative from this past June launched several critically acclaimed series including Midnighter, Prez, and Omega Men, none of these new series have become commercial successes."
Well gee whiz DC, it's almost as if you drove off your previous sustainable fanbase for a small spike in new readers and mostly people who just wanted to see what was going on.
Then POOF, they were gone~along with a third of the pre-52 fanbase~
>More concerning for DC, though, is the fact that they only got nine slots in the top fifty comics – and only one of them was a non-Batman book (I’m counting Harley Quinn as part of the wider Batman universe). What’s more, only one non-Batman book sold over 50,000 copies. It’s true that DC had a tough month – yet again, Marvel were flooding the market with first issues – but they clearly need to strengthen the rest of their comic franchises.
>>241242 To be fair, their old fanbase was shrinking already and absolutely wouldn't have bought Midnighter, Prez or Omega Men either. I wasn't a big fan of the New 52, but DC!You doesn't really deserve that ire.
Eddie Berganza really is a monster in human form though. At some point you have to wonder what blackmail he's got that's worth all this.
>>241249 >but DC!You doesn't really deserve that ire.
It deserves praise is what it deserves, it's just a shame New52 poisoned the well SO FUCKING HARD, Prez and MM are my favorite comics right now.
>>241249 It's literally photographic evidence enough to bring DC down, my guess is he's had others within the company, most likely from the Superman branch, directly implicit in his various sexual crimes.
>>241254 Ed Berganza has numerous sexual harassment complaints on file, DC does not disclose the number officially but he has at least 15, it is so bad in fact that currently women are barred from working in the Superman branch of DC and more specifically anywhere near him.
For example, one employee took his wife to an office party, excused himself to the washroom and came back to find to find Ed, despite knowing who she was, attempting to rape her in the middle of the party with everyone trying to ignore it.
When he tried to raise hell about it not DC legal but WB legal fell on him with the full force of God's hammer. He's got dirt from the bottom to the the top, DC and WB. Apparently he frequently drugs and tricks people to gain dirt so people will protect him when he inevitably fucks up. He's a subhuman creature in a man skin.
Oh, and he's a bad editor, Geoff Johns isn't allowed to name him specifically but he has danced around him being the reason why his TT run got so editorially fucked up.
>>241260 He's been working at DC for over 15 years, the worst he ever got was a demotion to his regular job 2 years after he had promoted himself in 2012 for "a series of indiscretions" of which included the a fore mention office party rape.
And it's literally just title shuffling, he has the exact same salary and editorial power.
>>241266 It "got in the news" by publicly demonstrating that a vast swathe of self-designated gamers were exactly the kind of stunted misogynistic manchildren all the tired stereotypes painted them as. If a Twitter mob rose against Berganza, these same misfits would lionize him as a martyr in the battle for men's rights or some bullshit and DC would close ranks around him.
Whether in the service of good or ill, the "power of the hashtag" to force people out of their jobs has rarely amounted to more than jack shit.
Good writing of him, works well with a boy from Kansas to think that way. Wonder if he'll have words with Bruce after this and then Bruce will go into some things showing that his family had a long history of not going along with that mentality.
>>241388 That actually seemed fairly in character for a farmboy like Clark. He didn't pull any annoying diatribe about veganism, he just wanted to be a vet because he's had a lot of experience with animals and he wants to be a helpful guardian.
>>241537 Looks like it along with Deadshot and that could be Harley we only see the legs of. Also Conroy is back in the Batman saddle along with Hamill taking up the Joker mantle again for an Animated show is great.
>>241542 Same. I love Conroy and Hamill, but I think it's time we let it go. I enjoyed Bader and Bennett in Brave and the Bold and feel like they would be perfect as Batman and Joker in this. Bader as Booster Gold isn't a bad choice though.
In regards to Hamill and Conroy, my feeling tired of them has to do with them being THE voices of Joker and Batman for over 20 years—and with Conroy specifically, it has to do with him seeming to phone in a lot of his performance in the Arkham games (not to mention his voice feeling out of place with the rest of the cast). Yeah, this is more personal opinion than anything else, but so what? I'd rather see…er, hear someone else get a shot at voicing two of DC’s most famous characters. What’s so bad about that?