/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

Weirdly there is nothing wrong with Green Arrow's redesign, in fact it is a step in the right direction.

I actually kind of like Wonder Woman's though I wish it looked a little more Greek-inspired. But are you sure that's Supes and not shitty Teen Titans-and onward Kon-El?

Her new suit looks very Mass Effect

>>234929

Wrist-sword thing even kinds looks like an Omni-Blade.

>>234923
I actually really dig Ollie's redesign. But classic Red Flash is still best Flash.

This is embarassing enough to make me want DC out of comics for good.

>>234933
Why? A lot of the stories are still pretty solid even if the aesthetics are shit.

>>234934
In my case all the characters I want to read about in addition to fucking horrible aesthetics and art are written FUCKING TERRIBLY.

I dunno what the fuck happened to Greg Pak but it's embarrassing how terrible AC is.

Why the fuck does Superman even need a redesign? He's one of the things that's so grandfathered that it looks shit whenever you try something different. Look at Man of Steel and how terrible that costume looked.

>>234928
The fact that Diana's abs are visible is a nice touch (and good to my boner). Too bad the overall art looks so dumb.

>>234936
His classic Red and Blues set him apart an also as a good contrast to Bruce and his Greys and Blues/Blacks. Making him look a lot like Conner, I've got no idea where they are intending to go with him. I mean his suit always had a story and was part of his process in becoming a hero. Bumming around in a T-shirt and Jeans I don't know what that is supposed to convey.

Diana would look okay, if she was one of the New Gods or something. Someone from space and not Pantheon connected Demi-god.

>>234940
Yea I was bummed the series ditched that "Peter Pan" phase and his mentor/guardian. And his bubbly GF and Agent. She'd been fun.

>>234940
The closest I've come to liking a Superboy design since YJ was New 52 Tronboy suit, because it wasn't just jeans and a t-shirt.

(I discount his Superboy and the Legion look because that was straight "Superman with a Legion logo belt buckle")

Conner should always have a boss jacket.

>>234943
Convergence is never good because it's literally killing off everything everyone liked.

>>234943
I always felt that Kon originally started as a PG version of Joseph.
I hated the sudden transformation into a "jock with a heart of gold" that Johns brought out of nowhere on his run of the Titans.

>>234944
Geez Tiki, take a chill pill.

>>234947
But that's what Convergence is. It is literally about killing off everything you loved about DC while wringing just a one last drop of money out of the gullible.

I honestly think most of you guys are overreacting. Like, I'm not a big fan of the Superman's new costume, but I'm willing to let it slide because it's very clearly going to be temporary.

You don't have to like Convergence, but stop acting as if it's the worst thing ever. Besides, there's a bunch of interesting DC books coming out this summer.

>>234957
I'm not saying any of this is worse, I'm saying it's more of the same.

>>234958
"more of the same"? How? Convergence is leading to the end of the New52 brand, with post-Convergence books emphasizing "story over continuity." Admittedly, I don't know well that idea will be executed, but the fact that DiDio and company are saying something like this AT ALL gives me some hope.

>>234960
How can you believe DIDIO?!?!? When I was 15 HE WAS SAYING THE SAME SHIT.

>>234961
People change? Crazy, I know.

>>234962
If you think Didio has changed at all, you are a complete fucking moron and deserve to lose every penny he wrings out of you.

>>234963
hahaha Jesus I know DiDio made some boneheaded decisions, but do YOU even believe what you're saying?

>>234966
I think it's ridiculous that anyone still falls for it, I got fucked by DC for years before i figured out every "big earth shattering event" is more of the same shit with the added bonus of ruining what you are reading, they are no different now than they were in 2005 and once they fuck you in the ass enough times maybe you'll wise up.

Not that Marvel is any better, poor Miles, he has yet to have a series not get ruined by this shit.

>>234968
I get what you're saying, I just think being this mad at something that's not even out yet is kind of silly.

Also, DC is employing a lot more woman and non-white creators. Can you imagine that happening in 2005?

>>234969
Those hires are great and definitely a heartening step in the right direction, but DC has one of the most notorious histories of mistreating it's creators in the entire industry, many of those horror stories coming out of just the last two years, once DC proves it can treat it's creators well then it can have some credit for that.

>>234970
Fair enough. I still think DC is (very, VERY) slowly learning from its mistakes and taking baby steps to reach out to other demographics. Or it got better PR, whichever explanation works.

>>234971
People actually went to Man Of Steel, DC's PR is Godlike in that they somehow manage to make everyone forget everything about what the just said and did despite it making everyone miserable.

It works but with each passing disappointment the general populace hates and misunderstands everything about DC more and more, at least Marvel is able to capitalize and gain in public perception unlike DC which has consistently lost popularity and gained negativity since the death of Superman.

>>234973
I liked Man of Steel.

...

This argument won't end well, will it?

>>234960
They've been trumpeting "story over continuity" for ever and ever, and mostly it just means that the stories that you liked get crapped on.

>>234974
Even if you liked Man Of Steel, from both a comicbook and movie standard it was an objectively mediocre movie sprinkled with disgusting insulting moments like Johnathan's death.

>>234976
I'm a 25 year old grade school teacher, they've been promising it since I was in high-school, I can actively remember a Dan Didio promise of the same shit running concurrently with the Naruto anime coming out and the whole school blowing up with love for Naruto.

>>234984
I do adored the Jimmy stand in and the "he saved us" bit while the entire city is a pile.

>>234984
In fairness, they've had, what, only a single film to judge the entire thing by?

>>234986
4, despite not being canonical the entire universe is based on TDK trilogy, which is the worst thing you could use to build DC characters on.

>>234988
Especially when Rises was terrible. They need to realize there's more to that trilogy than grimdarkness.

>>234986
Man of Steel shares a lot of staff with the Nolan trilogy, so they half-count as part of the DCCU at this point, even if they're not canon storywise.

//youtube.com/watch?v=11j7WUFaTVg

I like this way of doing a darker Justice League, with characters that are Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in name only with totally different backstories instead of just going the "One bad day" route.

>>235019
The timing for this is significant, as Disney is currently getting creamed for omitting Black Widow from Avengers merchandise (again).

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/47741/20150421/draft-disney-fails-women-again-age-of-ultron-merchandise-doesnt-feature-black-widow.htm

>>235019
I'm way down for this.

What ever happened to that DC superhero show Lauren Faust was doing?

>>235022
DC Nation is dead and so is Super Best Friends Forever. Faust is working on Wander Over Yonder for Disney and an animated movie for Sony called Medusa.

>>235023
Fuck this noise. Hope she has better luck there.

>>235023
>an animated movie for Sony called Medusa.
I'm really hoping it turns out to be something other than yet another Wicked clone.

>>235019
I feel like this is a good idea that corporate assholes are going to turn into a disgustingly insultingly sexist line. I want to be optimistic for it, but the art style and Mattel both make me wonder how much of this is genuine integration and how much is just the Girl Legos all over again.

>>235028

A better idea: not segregating the women into their own separate "universe" and just, y'know, giving them good stories from the best talent on the DC "roster".

>>235029
This isn't for women, this is for 6-12 year old kids. Better stories are also being promised.

>>235032
>Or Maleficent for that matter.
It's the same concept in a different structure. Villainess isn't really evil, just misunderstood. Same with Frozen in a way. Especially if you look at the source material.

But at least with Medusa there's actual reasoning behind it rather than 'we want to write this being of supernatural evil to be a good guy'.

>>235033
Yeah, Medusa always sort of got the short end of the stick traditionally. For her the foundation's all there already.

>>235047
I appreciate that her skirt is incorporating more of an ancient Greek soldier motif, but man that Bucky creature reminds me of Meelo in all sorts of bad ways.

>>235036
Wonder if they are going to bring up that she is Pegasus's mom.

>>235047
Isn't that the old cancelled Wonder Woman pitch that eventually got retooled into Wednesday Comics?

>>235051
It's a fantastic costume. I'm just not sure it's a great Wonder Woman costume, though it's aesthetically more pleasing than most of her previous ones. I guess a good way to put it is Tim Drake wearing Ollie's costume or something. Good design, but unfitting.

>>235057
Unfortunately yes.

>>235061
At least they actually got her colors right.

>>235062
Oh, I thought you were talking about Jill Thompson's new book. I guess Ben Caldwell should try that pitch again, he might have better traction this time around.

>>235078
I thought I was at the time, I was mistaken, but yeah I'd love to see a Ben Caldwell Wonder Woman.

>>235099
Eeeesh, after Holy Terror how does anyone justify giving him work?

>>235099
But maybe ze Batfuhrer of der Waynesreich will show us all how we were wrong to question Frank's STRONG AMERICAN JUSTICE VALUES OF FREEDOM AND NOT ISLAM.

>>235099
I'm being cut by all this edge.

DC- Keeping on the "bury Lois and Clark as a romantic couple because Woman of Kleenex" until people stop giving them money.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/04/24/what-has-dc-comics-done-to-lois-lane/

>>235107
I'm hoping this is some Superdickery-level fakeout. Because if that's the case... wow what the fuck.

>>235107
Yeah, not loving what I'm seeing at all. And I doubt it will end well, given DC's horrid history with Lois.

Lemme guess he's going to go all Fight Club and get a personality disorder over all this. Edgy superman is shit. Sad and morose Clark because of loss or feelings that he's lost is fine. But "Street Justice" Superman..eh.

Wow, Convergence really is literally Countdown: Arena done over again isn't it?

What a turd.

>>235179
>Countdown: Arena
What was that?

>>235180
Terrible. It was terrible.

>>235183
What was it about I mean.

>>235186
A bunch of guys from various places in the multiverse (ie different popular stories) beating the crap out of each other because some guy told them to.

>>235192
Sounds like Avengers Arena.

>>235195
It sounds like a lot of things.

It's all the same garbage really, it's the comicbook equivalent of a shonen tournament arc, except with no fun power-ups and your favorite characters get brutally murdered and disrespected only to be resurrected and pissed on more later.

In shonen they just skip the death and SRSBSNS tone.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/04/23/convergence-a-comic-book-retailer-speaks/

>>235219
I think people are burned out on the big events.

>>235220
They are, but the marketing is TERRIBLE on Convergence, furthermore it's a cancellation of most surefire sellers from DC for 2 months.

It's a countdown level error.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/51110/20150506/interview-with-batman-earth-one-volume-2-writer-geoff-johns-and-artist-gary-frank.htm

I forgot the Earth One books were still a thing. Superman Earth One: Volume Three got released this year, but I haven't heard a peep about it.

Marvel actually had the best approach to this with its Season One books, but unfortunately, they were only used as Beginner's Guides.

Gerry Conway mades a public apology to Geoff Johns, Dan DiDio, Jim Lee, and Larry Ganem.


http://gerryconway.tumblr.com/post/119133162738/a-public-apology-to-geoff-johns-dan-didio-jim

>>235567
That's the new design for Green Lantern? What the fuck.

>>235567
that is really '90s

>>235603
Oh geez. She's super cute!

>>235630
Tiki, I'm starting to think this is more on you when you compare Bomb Queen favorably to anything. Superman/Wonder Woman is shit, but it's not THAT shit.

>>235630
>The Big Three are all fucked up, Superman and Wonder Woman, the two of the three that should most refrain from killing are now more than happy enough to kill
Where are you getting this? Seriously, where? As awful as Finch's WW is, it still doesn't feature Diana killing people left and right. And the Superman books have been pretty decent for a while, but you would know this if, oh I don't know, you ACTUALLY READ THE COMICS. Or at the very least did some quick research.

>>235632
Man, I have been reading with a seething anger that is not healthy since 2005, if anything I should REALLY stop, I know WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much, I have seen each character ruining moment in agony.

>>235631
Bombqueen would feel less like pulling my own fingernails off because I already hate Bombqueen so it's not like watching something I love get turned into something I loathe.

TL;DR This is me expressing immense frustration more so than actual criticism of comics that are not actually terrible, but PAINFULLY PAINFULLY mediocre comics that miss the point of the characters their about completely.

...
how's the art at least.

>>235634
I personally think the art style is not bad, but there's so much homogeny throughout the DC comics that there's no enjoyment to get out of it.

>>235603
>>235627
This doesn't look mature enough to be Wonder WOMAN.

Not in the blood and sex way, just... she doesn't look old enough.
Be a good look for Diana as Wonder Girl, tho.

>>235633
>Bombqueen would feel less like pulling my own fingernails off because I already hate Bombqueen so it's not like watching something I love get turned into something I loathe.

This is basically where I've been with DC after what they did to Justice League International (I am still butthurt over Max Lord and Ted Kord).

And let's not even get into that puppet-corpse they brought in for "the New 52"

Wait, so did convergence undo every crisis ever?. I can't tell how dumb that is.

Is this a DC general thread? I recently found out the Batman Beyond soundtrack kicks serious ass.

//youtube.com/watch?v=bK0nDs0wnvM

>>235711
Holy hell, that's just intrusive as fuck, not to mention the inconvenience it causes on the artists. The companies better ditch this before their own staffers revolt.

>>235714
Or just face it that Marvel was never good and DC is dead since the beginning of New 52.

>>235711
Leave it to fucking DC.

RESET THE CLOCK! (it's only been two days)

>>235711
Goddamn, one step forward two steps back. I thought everybody understood those died because they were shitty.

>>235725
Thing is: They didn't die in, normal, non-comics magazines. They have those all over the place.

>>235720
Wait Marvel's been doing these too?

>>235734

No, that was just the standard "Marvel sucks, DC sucks, so who cares if one of them do something bad" post.

I heard good things abouts, looks fun.
//youtube.com/watch?v=3B3xDLdiFxg
But then again, I do love toys~

>>235748
Can't unimagine Batman vs. Master Shake.

>>235748
Holy shit that animation quality fell down some STEEP stairs.

>>235748
What the fuck is wrong with Batman's chin?

>>235755
Why is green arrow's hood 2d?

So Action Comics was great and pretty much disproved the "edgy grimdarkness" accusations. A lot of the new comics were also good, such as Justice League, Midnighter, Green Arrow and Bizarro.

>>235902
I must admit from what I've read things are getting better even if I have a PASSIONATE hatred for every story leading up to these books.

But WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE ART?! All these books have sub-webcomic art.

>>235903
>But WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE ART?! All these books have sub-webcomic art
hahaha what?

The ONLY comic that kind of fits that description is Bizarro, and its art doesn't look all that different from DC's other kid-friendly books.

Kurder (Action) and Fabok (JL) don't put out stuff that resembles typical webcomic art at all. While Green Arrow and Midnighter definitely had some Poser-y art, the latter had great panel layouts and the former was competent enough.

>>235905
GL and Action have FUCKING TERRIBLE art, I dunno about Bizarro or JL yet, Bizarro I'll comment on but I'm not touch JL with a 50 foot pole.

>>235907
>GL and Action have FUCKING TERRIBLE art
I've not read GL, but what don't you like about Action's art?

>I'm not touch JL with a 50 foot pole.
JL has gotten a lot better, especially since Wonder Woman is faaaar better written there then she is in her current book.

>>235921
yeah how dare Jimmy still be a friend to Clark after the secret identity revelation.

>>235922
I'm talking about Jimmy being a bro dude dude bro bro

>>235923
He's really not.

>>235921
At first I thought it was the usual Tiki hyperbole but wow you really weren't kidding about the faces.
GL doesn't seem too bad, although the the Heavy Weapons Guy proportions, alien guy's dislocated waist, and 90s aesthetic are offputting.

>>235930
Suction cup feet, the 90' truest staple.

I honestly don't see what's so bad about the faces in Action.

>>235939
Can't quite put it into words but they look very derpy to me.

//youtube.com/watch?v=tpu6yPAFHrs

The first episode of Justice League: Gods and Monsters Chronicles.

>>236048
Clumsy as hell and a bit embarrassing, but... I don't know, there has to be something good to be said here.

>>236048
How do you make vampire batman that lame? Like how do you fuck up a design so badly?

>>236048
Here's the second short

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSxN4ezhO4

>>236048
That was seriously underwhelming. Tried too hard to go gritty but nothing really interesting to offer. I'm surprised it's actually from Timm, although I guess Dini was the bigger powerhouse in the DCAU.

>>236073
Well... that was better than the Batman one, at least.

But it reminds me of how badly Chris Kent ended up treated by DC editorial.

>>236073
Cool that Waller became la presidente. Can't think of any other normie in the DCverse who'd be in a better position for it. Can't help but feel like this whole short was aimed at people who didn't like Man of Steel.

//youtube.com/watch?v=fOWLqnjFN64

This one is considerably less dark than the other two, featuring the adventures of space barbarian Wonder Woman and her secret agent boyfriend.

>>236131

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww hell.

I herd that the new wonder woman is a pervert

>>236129
Fight scene was OK, and Gigantia has a neat design aside from the pointless robo-nipples. Still not very good and the sex jokes were cringeworthy as fuck. This whole entire thing reeks of "look how 'mature' we are!" and the Superman one was the best of the lot because it went the least overboard with it, though it still suffered from not being very interesting.

>>236129
Is that supposed to be Artemis?

>>236145
Wait shit, nevermind I'm stupid. Don't remember Bekka looking like that though.

Apparently Bruce Timm can't write for shit even though he can draw. I hope the full movie or whatever this is gearing up to ends up better than these clips.

>>236147
That's what Paul Dini was for, really. They were the Bald and Piglike of their time.

>>236147
>>236154
Isn't one of the other big Batman writers also doing work on this?

>>236262
I'll give it a try as well.
It gives me vibes of Shin Kamen Rider.

>>236262
Wow a redesign that's radical without being dumb. I'm impressed.

>>236262
I'm going to keep missing Neanderskull Operacape MM forever...

>>236262
Looks kind of like Samus's armor. I like it.

>>236363
Martian Manhunter had really bad solicits. It's surprising how interesting it turned out to be.

>>234920

And with blood on his fists. Classy.
I'm so glad I dropped DC after new52 like a ton of bricks. I am fine with only following their animated universe.

>>236472
That's not blood, that's parts of his cape.

>>236593
Hamill you motherfucker. You said you'd never come back.

LOL. I bet if he was real, he had a lot of imitators too...

>>236593
This is so Adam West its wonderful.

>>236633
Only somehow Arkham Joker still manages to be more gay than Cesar Romero.

Be something if Arkham Beyond comes out and part of Bats story is that he could no longer do the job because he couldn't trust that he'd always be in control.

DC announced several new animated films at Comic-Con. Amongst them is an animated adaption of arguably the best-known Batman comic of them all: The Killing Joke.

HAMILL AS JOKER OR I GIVE NO FUCKS.

>>237037
Hamill is too old to play Joker in the flashbacks though. Since he'd have to use his normal voice.

>>237037
Is Jason Todd going to be in there?

>>237044

I have no idea. Though they are making a new prologue exclusive to the film, so who knows.

>>237062

>Leto!Joker in the bottom-left corner

WAT

Mark Hamill apparently wants to do Joker's voice one more time, this time for the upcoming Killing Joke animated adaptation.

I say let him do it and then let him fucking retire his Joker voice once and for all.

>>237339
It's pretty cool. Not much else to say besides that.

>>237339
I think it's rad. more stuff should be modeled after vaginas, lord knows way too much is modeled after penis.

>>237339

I read about his plans for Wonder Woman. He sounds like he has a real grasp on how to set Wonder Woman apart from other modern comics of its ilk, and I'm really interested in seeing what he does with this run.

>>237339
Why does she even need an Invisible Jet anyway? People always made fun of her for it unless he's trying to use it ironically.

>>237355
Because despite being able to fly she can't fly fast and an invisible jet is REALLY useful for not being spotted.

>>237355
>>237357
And even though she has super strength, she can carry a lot more stuff and people in a jet than in her arms.

>>237357
>she can't fly fast
She can fly fast because of Hermes' gift
>and an invisible jet is REALLY useful for not being spotted.
Yeah. You can't see the jet but you could always see her sitting inside of it.

>>237359
>Yeah. You can't see the jet but you could always see her sitting inside of it.
Not in any version written recently.

>>237359
You are literally considering Superfriends canon.

>>237344
Doors are basically vaginas. And life has many doors, Tiki-Boy.

>>237364
I wouldn't mind more King Plasto, with recent advances in materials science I think there's a lot going for the idea of a guy who makes a kingdom out of plastics. That assassin who really hates Worcestershire sauce not so much.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/71644/20150724/interview-brenden-fletcher-and-annie-wu-discuss-black-canary-and-rock-n-roll.htm

I really love the punk art style this comic has.

I JUST WANT MORE MARTIAN MANHUNTER ALREADY

http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/132994-the-end-is-near-bleeding-cool-says-dc-comics-is-behind-projected-revenue-by-2-million.html


Surprise Surprise Convergence was a catastrophic financial failure.

DC is literally betting all their money on Frank Miller's Dark Night 3 The Master Race...holy shit

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/08/26/dc-comics-to-enter-an-austerity-regime-cancelled-titles-reduced-page-rates-more-ads/

>>238111
>doubling down on the grimdark
>relyiing on Frank Miller of all people
Holy shit DC get your act together.

>>238114
4 years of being a clusterfuck is finally catching up.

Where's jumpman? this is the kind of complete corporate failure he loves.

>>238116
?

>>238118
Is it just Marvel failure you like?

>>238119
I don't jerk off to any failures.

Anyway, whether the rumors are true or not, DC being in a pitiful state while Marvel is ranking in the big bucks just highlights how much DC screwed up with the reboot. Blew their chances starting off fresh and blew their chance of being competitive.

>>238112
>DC is literally betting all their money on Frank Miller's Dark Night 3 The Master Race...holy shit
Is that the actual name of the book or has Frank Miller's actually become a parody of himself?

>>238122
Both.

>>238121
Reboot is just so strange tones that varied wildly from comics to comics and the mandates that cripple long term character development (and by that reader interest). Really I've found Street Level Supes to be the most interesting thing they've done. Its pretty much "What if Clark didn't hide and was just himself"

>>238130
WHORES WHORES WHORES had turned into a punchline ten years ago, what gave DC the mad impression the nutter was still employable?

>>238131
He's still been selling books for those ten years?

>>238132
Books he made prior to those ten years.

>>238177

Also they are moving to Burbank, be interesting to see what happens from there. Means both Marvel and DC and out of New York now. I think only Disney has some offices left there but everyone else is gone.

>>238177
I thought they just moved.

>>238183
They did, Convergence was basically filler so they'd have time to move.

>>238252
That looks like Denys Cowan. His art's looked like that for years and years, dude.

>>238254
That does not excuse an actual comic company putting it out and expecting people to buy it.