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I stopped caring about Homestuck a long while ago.
By the time the beta kids enter the game I just got tired of the incredibly unnecessary clusterfuck the webcomic has become.
It's fandom didn't helped either, but that's beside the point.

Its not going to be worth it, he's just going to drag it out and give unsatisfying conclusions.

Hussie is a hack anyway. I've learned not to expect much from him.

>>230173
You seem to have misjudged what the actual topic of the thread would be. Here, I will help you:

>BE A BUZZKILL
>BITCH AND MOAN
>WHATEVER

Seriously, expecting positivity from plus4chan in 2014? What were you thinking, Anon?

>>230187
The only one bitching and moaning here is you.

Homestuck is not a good series, its understandable that people would be critical of it.

>>230199
I'm not bitching and moaning. I'm with you. Negativity is what cool kids do. Liking stuff is for plebians.

>>230200
Passive aggressive is also disingenuous.

>>230201
Clearly you're just not cool enough to recognize true media-negativity when you see it. I have mastered the art of hating things to such a degree that you are unable to perceive it as anything but a put-on, because your own ability to hate is so pedestrian and watered-down in comparison. Come back when you get on my level and truly understand what it is to hate a webcomic. On that day you may finally be worthy of being considered cool.

Well, no, I take that back. You will finally be worthy of being considered less uncool. Coolness will still be beyond your reach for a good long while yet, and it is cruel of me to get your hopes up that it's as short a journey as all that. But you must take baby steps if you are ever to climb that mountain. Go, young Anon, and learn to hate all the world's creative output.

>>230202
You are a child.

>>230202
What, are you trying to sound as faux-deep as most of the characters written by The Huss?

>>230205
Though lets just keep it to a thread. Things are slow enough making a board again.

be something, especially if the /co/ mods stick to their No generals dictate.

I think Hussie is a lovely word spinner and world builder, but making a cognitive and clear tale is not his greatest strength.

Still, I am eager to see how he finishes this beast.


The majority of the fandom can go flay themselves, however.

>one year hiatus
>3 months of updates
>not even finished with the comic


eeeuuuughhh. I don't like the looks of things.

>>230236
Me neither.

Hussie needs to either buckle down and finish the damn thing already.

I'm just gonna wait until the comic is finished before I start reading it again.

I'm aware that will be a while but I'm not in a rush. I still like Homestuck but I'm also still tired of it, maybe by the time it actually ends I'll be ready to just enjoy it again.

So 3 months spent on the comic, and the rest on the game/setting up paradox space?

>>230267
He says some life things got in the way so really anything could have happened.

>>230452
So foreshadowing?

so is 3 months of work like 5 pages per day for 90 days?

>>230460
So Caliborn is the universe frogs and the Condense will... obtain a capturing device of some sort?

>>230488
frog is LE/Caliborn

SB and HJ are whoever children, (most likely vriska/dave/jade/calliope/john/aranea)

Clam is Condesce

Net is plan to stop LE/Caliborn

So, kind of a weird question to ask this late but I remembered John got some of LE's powers. And then I remembered how each kid 'played' Sburb

John was passive
Rose rebelled

Dave actively abused the system
Jade passively played the system

So now that John has literal game breaking powers do you think we're going to eventually see some turn around? Because he is still for the most part doing the same thing he's always done, i.e. wandering from one event to the next with a clue of what's going on.

>>230494
*without a clue of what's going on.

Hussie tilted his Joyboard too much.

FFFFFFFFFF MSPA IS DOWN!

T-thanks for all the hard work on the site, Hussie...

>>230652

IT KEEPS HAPPENING

I shouldn't be shocked that we killed the servers, but I am.

>>230659
//youtube.com/watch?v=N4vIBijzg4w

Hey. Uhhh. Is the update gone for anyone else? I could never get the site to load and now that I can the update isn't there anymore.

>>230667
THE UPDATE RUSE
WAS A DISTRACTION


Yeah it's gone for me.

>>230667
>>230668
Probably just trying to deal with the overload.

>that blog post

Am I just salty or is Hussie really this unfunny and annoying?
I don't know why but it bugged the hell out of me.

>>230691
I think at this point we kinda just want it to be over and he's still stalling. Once he get's back started we might calm down.

>>230692
I'm not even excited for an update.
I feel like, after... what, five years? His persona is wearing thin.

His irony and internet tough guy shtick is gonna give me an aneurysm

Well, I for one thought the newest update was fuckin' funny and Caliborn's masterpieces redeemed Homosuck for me.

This is easily the best update ever.

c-can anyone tell me what happened?

Business just picked up?

>>230726
What PEACHY incident?

>>230769
>>230771
Keep in mind that this is all ignoring the fact that when he changed it, it wasn't because of the cries of racism, but because of the realization that the joke was one that only worked in the moment it was made, and that archive viewers who weren't part of the fandom at the time it was made would have had no interpretation to make that would have made it even make sense.

I'm surprised people still care about this, specially considering this was an hiatus of almost a year. You can't tell me this "giga-pause" didn't made lots of people to stop caring HS.

>>230771
>>230772
Eugh, now I wish I never knew.

>>230774
I did, but seeing Hussie's writing brought me back almost immediately.
Like riding a bike.
Made out of pure raw irony.

>>230771
According to Hussie, he actually changed it more in response to people harassing the complainers than the complainers themselves. Less tumblr being mad and more "LOL you're such an idiot for being mad!"

>>230788

It's the same issue "Gamergate" has suffered under, where nobody wants to be associated with the same side that /pol/ users have aligned with, regardless of any actual merits that side might hold.

>>230829
...I don't know. Right now, Caliborn sees himself as untouchable. There's no REASON for him to create a more powerful version of himself, in the form of Lord English, right now. His self-insert fanfiction is enough at the moment. Having a humiliating loss at the hands of a huge dork would be a great impetus for him to do so.

But then again, we have reason to believe that Jake will be the one to give him his "first defeat." Unless that was Lord English's first defeat, rather than Caliborn's.

Either way, I wouldn't consider it impossible that John wins this fight. There is support for either outcome right now. I am certain it won't be the last we hear from Caliborn even if John wins. And I am FAIRLY certain (but not completely certain) it won't be the end of John's involvement in the story if he loses, either.

>>230843
>I mean the whole tone of the event is completely silly.
But then again, in Homestuck that means nothing. This is a comic where death is heralded not by rousing final words and a dramatic death rattle, but the word "dead" in big, silly letters and goofy expressions on the characters' faces.

I agree that it could go either way though.

>>230844
That's true, but even most deaths have some kind of tension or emotion. Even the dead trolls had a fair amount of build up (this first time they died anyway, after that it didn't matter)

>>230846

>>230844

of course that's not to say that I think john won't die assuming he loses, at least not for good. Nor am I expecting Caliborn to die even if John does win.

>>230851
But didn't they say when they found the treasure that Lord English already found and/or used the treasure that John found?

Yeah, but time travel.

>>230871
BUT WHAT DOSE IT MEAN?

HOT DIGGIDY DAMN

I love a good slaughter fest. And John was hilariously impressive in beating up Caliborn.

How long until the retcon?

Tumblr is going to fucking implode, I can't wait.

THAT DID NOT GO HOW I THOUGHT IT WOULD.

Welp. You got me Hussie. I both care and don't care. And I'm sure you're gonna get me again and make me look like a big baby.

Either way that was a crock of shit.

I'm so mad. I'm so mad at myself for being mad about this.

So guys. Davesprite was the Alpha Dave all along.

So's being how this is looking like it'll stick for at least a few more updates.

How the hell are the survivors gonna come back from this?
We're down to 4/8 kids and 1/12 trolls plus Aranea.

>>230969
Assuming John doesn't retcon it all, or this doesn't turn out to be a Doomed Timeline? (which I think would be a huge cop-out in either case)?
* Someone spills blood on Kanaya's ashes and she comes back to life, is pissed off. ( Classic vampire lore for vampires that are dusted, so reasonably possible )
* Karkat's Blood Powers awaken and he does some sort of bullshit to survive his fall into the lava. Possibly this ties into ressurecting Kanaya. ( I honestly have no reason to believe this other than that I want to )
* Davesprite becomes Alpha Dave ( I think this one is almost a no-brainer)
* Rose and Terezi survive. Terezi probably has a permanent scar or injury. ( I doubt they would have survived the Flash if they were going to die in the next update )
* Dave, Jane, and Jake join Jade on Team Calliope, or possibly some of them join Team Vriska. (Another no-brainer)

Rose being dragged off by Roxy before she could do anything means she'll probably revive (assuming she does die)

Also, who wants to open the books on whether or not Gamzee comes back from this somehow?

>>230975
He's survived a lot of things, but I think this is the final nail in the clown coffin

>>230976
It certainly looks that way. But we also know that Hussie is unaware of a single timeline in which Gamzee dies. So if he *is* dead, that means we're in territory uncharted by the author. Or the fictitious counterpart of the real-world author who in-universe is responsible for the story being told.

Gotta say, not a fan of that drawing style. Looked way too cartoony with the thick outline and stockier body proportions :T

Neat update though

>>230975
Even if he's dead, he still has his own time travel ability. It's not like we can't wind up with an earlier part of his timeline that's destined to go back eventually and get chainsawed.

Update
Aranea's dead.

>>231003
RING OF LIFE: Presently Unclaimed

Also, it has just occurred to me: if the Condesce really does have Meenah's Thief of Life powers, and decides she still needs any of the heroes who just died alive, we may have options. Hell, if nothing else, she could claim the Ring, put it on Jane's corpse, and then have Jane bring everyone she wants alive back to life.

Except Karkat. He can't be revived by Jane.

>>231003
Aranea isn't confirmed dead.
The Condense could kill her, but once she steals the life ring (and as the thief of life of course she will) she could easily just browbeat Aranea into being another one of her pawns to make up for getting in the way of her plans. Condy's Dancestor being friends with our interloping book lover might mean she'll be seen as familiar somehow. It's been a long time since she's seen a friendly troll face anyway, what with running Earth for LE.

>>231005
Kind of hard to revive someone when you don't have anything like an intact body anyway. What would she aim her trident at, the general area he fell into the lava?
Speaking of which, I don't see her bringing Kanaya back too easily for the same reason.

>>231013
>Kind of hard to revive someone when you don't have anything like an intact body anyway.
Aranea didn't have an intact body.

>>231015
I didn't catch that.
Also, what's with all this actual action after all those anti-climaxes?

>>231016
Wait, no, I actually just hadn't checked the site since latest update and thought it there weren't any pages since the flash yet.

I don't remember what happened when we last left off.

>>231031
A fair amount of tension building. Lot's of shit about to happen. This flash was the conclusion of that. And it ended horribly for damn near everyone.

So, something is finally happening and almost everyone is dead.
Too bad dead doesn't mean that much since there are "ghosts" anyways and we'll see them around.

>>231049
Jade and Calliope should be expecting a ton of new arrivals.

>>231049
Unless LE catches them in a death ray.

>>231075
That's not good because the more people are there the more likely LE is going to find them.

Either way John is going to find a way to reset things anyway.

Did Arena die or did her ghost die?

>>231087
To be determined.

>>231087
Yes. Double Death is a thing.
See>>231015

>>231091
Yes, but I think the question is whether she was still alive after the ring was taken off of her, and therefore whether this counts as Double Death or simply a second Regular Death.

>>231127
There are still pupils there, though. They're just feint.

>>231129
That maybe so, but her eyes went from natural troll eye color of yellow to dead white? Hussie is clearly showing us that the removal of the ring made her a ghost again and then she died... again.

Yeah I know we'll see them all in the ghost zone so I don't really give a shit that anyone died.

If LE zaps their souls then I might give a shit but right now I don't.

Still an entertaining flash.

>>231136
LE will only zap the souls of the characters who aren't important.

It's called plot convenience

>>231137
Honestly I wouldn't put it past Huss to kill off characters for real.

That said, it wouldn't even bother me if he did. I'm trying to enjoy these updates but I feel like I'm just over Homestuck.

>>231153
Good stuff ruined with Homesuck shit. I'm sad now.

>>231256
I can't believe that I didn't noticed that Dirk's behavior is similar to Bro's in that they worked so hard to protect their friends/family.

I mean Bro cut Dave's meteor right in half so Dave had more time, and Bro went around the medium slaying monsters to undoubtedly protect everyone.

Heart player indeed.

I really like it when Hussie does stuff with the layout.

And what was the giant candy corn from? Did it fall off part of the website and into the panel, or is it something I am forgetting about?

>>231275
Maybe he'll do something similar to this?
//youtube.com/watch?v=TjgsnWtBQm0

>>231258
John didn't do the windy thing. Why didn't he do the windy thing?

>>231275

Oh with indifference

That's how john will react.

>>231300
That's not indifference. It's more like stunned silence.

>>231303
Well yeah, he's finding out that all of his friends and dancestors are dead and just watched one of his best friends die right in front of him.

He just had a huge ghost party with the trolls and knows about a ring that brings people back to life so it's not like death means shit-all in Homestuck anyways.

So this recent News Update further proves that the mind control angle for Jane and Jade was a fucking stupid decision. Because Hussie's explanation is total bullshit.

>>231324
Makes perfect sense to me. Homestuck has been fairly consistent in the characterization of the idea that there aren't good and evil people, just people who decide to do good and people who decide to do evil. The Condesce has flipped off Jade's and Jane's social inhibitions, and forced their loyalty, but both of them are making decisions for themselves. Jade's whole feels jam with Dave about Davesprite made it clear that Jade was still the one at the helm.

>>231325
I disagree. Neither one of them were acting themselves.

>>231324
I can't help but think all these rules are not based on what Hussie thinks should be just or heroic, but rather what would allow him to kill characters he needs killed.

>>231327
Pretty much.

Kind of wish Rose survived.
I feel like it would have made the whole "john recons everything" solution less inevitable.

When there's this many characters dead, it's hard to expect the whole thing to stick.

>>231329
John needs to retcon everything because it's been foreshadowed that he would eventually do so and fuck everything up in the process. Check this shit out:
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008263

>JOHN: i can't seem to control the jumps.
>JOHN: maybe that's for the best though.
>JOHN: if i could control it, and tried to use it to my advantage, i would probably just make a huge mess of things.
>TEREZI: Y3S, YOU WOULD

See, that's Terezi being fully aware of how John's mind works as per her Seer status, stating for the record that John would eventually fuck things up if he got control of the jumps. We already know that he gets control of the jumps because future John came back and talked to John and told him to find Roxy, and that was not a John that our John has become yet. So John has to intentionally perform a Retjohn that will in the process fuck things up. That requires a pretty big reason for him to Retjohn everything--which this has provided.

So yes, a Retjohn coming is inevitable. But I do not think it is going to be a solution. I think it is going to get them in even deeper water here than they already are.

>>231330
Unless the story is LE straight up wins, I don't see how this could make things worse. Things are already pretty fucking dire.

>>231331
Are they though? Death is a slap on the wrist in the Homestuck universe. All those dead people, right now, could go join Calliope's ghost army for whatever it is she is about to do--clearly the story is setting her up for something. And Jade alone might well not be enough. Or, the Condesce grabs the Life ring, puts it on Jane's finger, and she brings everyone but Karkat back to life. And Karkat joins Meenah's army like he already agreed to.

Meanwhile, we have no idea what a Retjohn is going to accomplish. It might lead to the very thing that results in Caliborn being able to become Lord English in the first place. Or it might close the door on one of the options they had about how to defeat Lord English forcing them to go through a MUCH more painful/arduous process for it.

Or the biggest issue facing us: Aranea was trying to create a doomed timeline. What if she succeeded, and Retjohning it is what turns this current timeline INTO the Alpha Timeline?

>>231330
John can retcon something as many times as he wants though. This isn't a time-loop. He can keep trying until he's satisfied with the end result.

>>231332
Calliope doesn't have the ghost army. Vriska and Meenah have she ghost army and LE is burning thousands of souls at a time because he's hunting down Calli and the army is all bunched up together.

If anything being dead is the worst place to be right now.

>>231345
I meant the ghost army she is going to need for whatever task she's about to set out on. It's a bit of conjecture--perhaps Jade is the only companion she needs for whatever she's about to do. But my gut tells me she is going to need more friends than just Jade.

>>231346
Where does it say that Calliope is amassing an army?

>>231347
It doesn't. That is the conjecture part. She is clearly about to do something--I think that part is uncontroversial. The fact that Jade has joined her there suggests it is something she cannot do alone, unless all she needs is moral support. All these deaths need to have happened for a reason, and we know of a dead girl who is about to do shit, so I am conjecturing that whatever she is about to do may very well require a party of adventurers.

Terezi is the best troll again.

It's her.

>>231369
Ehhhh. Her suddenly being the only one to to have the resolution to keep going, just after she couldn't get her shit together and blamed other people for it, seems a bit forced.

>>231376
She's gone through a lot of crap in the last hour. Hitting bottom opens one up to a lot of things, including latent Seer of Mind abilities.

>>231376
Who would have guessed that someone who went around playing Miss Justice all her life could keep it together when all she has to do is walk up to someone and act judgmental?

Time for Denizens, fucking finally.

Incoming THE CHOICE where John sacrifices himself for Typheus to save everybody.

>>231450
I doubt it's going to be that simple. More likely, THE CHOICE will be Typheus laying out a series of events for John, one where he survives and one where he doesn't, and the one where he survives is the one where all his friends stay dead. And John, being who he is, doesn't even think about it.

The impression I've gotten from past references to THE CHOICE suggest that players who actually make it and die because of it often *don't* die at their Denizen's hands. Like for example there was a strong suggestion that when Hephaestus gave Davesprite the Choice, Davesprite could have chosen to have Hephaestus fix him instead of the sword. And Davesprite decided against it. Theoretically this should have mean Davesprite would die because of his decision, and maybe he still will, but he wouldn't have been killed by Hephaestus per se in that scenario.

I suspect we'll see the same thing with John.

>>231451
Yeah but Jade is presently telling a story about how John died.

I'm assuming it's either the same John, or we're going to get more exposition on the other John who actually was given THE CHOICE and killed by Typheus in Davesprites's timeline

>>231478
NO

>>231479
Probably what's going to happen.

>>231478
Rose's body isn't missing, they're just on a different side of that big obelisk.

I can't even tell if this scene was a callback/joke to John and Karkat's convo after he revived from being killed by Jack.

>CG: IS THAT YOUR GAME, EGBERT. HAVE YOU HAD YOUR EYE ON MADAME LALONDE, AND YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A CONVENIENT RESURRECTION OPPORTUNITY TO BUST OUT YOUR MOST PASSIONATE SMOOCHMOTIFS KEPT IN RESERVE? AND IN FRONT OF HER DEAD FEMALE "OFFSPRING" NO LESS! JUST SHAMEFUL.

>>230173
This update really brought the John/Roxy shippers out of the woodwork.

As this is one of the few ships I actually like, I'm not complaining.

>>231493
It's hard for that not to happen when Terezi is actively commenting on their awkward romantic tension and forcing them to hug.

John not letting Roxy just let herself waste away is pretty nice to. Plus her talking to Nix will likely be important. And she very might well be able to 'preserve' herself whenever John retcons stuff, making it so they'll be the only ones with knowledge of what happened.

>>231494
Some people were theorizing Dirk might be preserved, saying that being stuck in the glitchmess might protect him from John's retcon.

>John apparently voluntarily murders every single alternate version of himself so he can master his time travel.

He's a weird kid, that Egbert.

Let's see how this plays out?

>>231550
I doubt it's as simple as that. For starters, who's to say that it's only alternate versions of himself that get murdered by his deal with Typheus?

>>231552
JADE: she told me that the dreams of a denizen draw from the same well of potential from which every conceivable possibility arises
JADE: the same place skaia gets its power from
JADE: so if an agreement with a denizen is reached in one reality, that same denizen in another reality could become aware of it, and respond accordingly
JADE: it seems that john, somewhere, in some other plane of existence, had made just such an agreement
JADE: she said that the john i knew, like herself, was only one version of a person
JADE: there was a different version of john from another reality poised to play a more significant role
JADE: you see, the john from that reality in an act of desperation had gone to see typheus, and struck a bargain with him

It's implied I think.

>>231550
That could happen with every denizen, though, and is possibly something that rarely causes deaths in alpha timelines due to the choice being a defining aspect of it. It might not even be a thing the player is informed of, you just deal with the denizen and all other yous are offed to keep things streamlines.

>>231479
>split brain cyborg
Nice, I've been wondering earlier why that's not a thing I've been seeing in works with cybernetics.

It might be a new song.

Silly John, blowing out the cartridge is just going to cause moisture damage.