/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

>>227261
I'd love a golf RPG

>>227261
Damn it, Amethyst!

Ughh Its got another season in the works, and still another Hiatus

>>228639
Pearl rates this too hot for Steven

That was fantastic.

This show is crazy awesome I love it.
Sugar really knows how to lay heavy drama in small segments.

Pearl is best character. :3

HOLY SHIT SUGILITE WAS NICKI MINAJ

Awww man those feels with Pearl. Her feeling useless and defeated, powerful stuff.

Just to let you guys know that the show is being picked up for a second season and both seasons are going to be 52 11-minute episodes which makes 104 episodes.

Its coming back in Aug 14

SDCC 2014-Steven Universe Panel

part 1
//youtube.com/watch?v=4361i3ebKD0
part 2
//youtube.com/watch?v=KmFUavmYTYg
part 3
//youtube.com/watch?v=Y4EvV62sx5o
part 4
//youtube.com/watch?v=vvQw-GYGDGg
part 5
//youtube.com/watch?v=VETgb0wOR7A
part 6
//youtube.com/watch?v=H5TYRQxyv5o

http://stevencrewniverse.tumblr.com/post/92948802132/its-official-were-making-more-episodes-a-lot

I beloved.

Sucker pulls 5.0+ numbers as well.

>>228877
>Sucker pulls 5.0+ numbers as well.

Fudging on Cartoon Network's part, as SU has never come close to reaching numbers like that on TV.

>>228883
I think its more accurate pulling the numbers together from a variety of sources than using the woefully outdated Nielsen system.

>>228884
That really only matters if advertisement agencies are willing to do so as well. Which would be the smart thing, but I've never trusted any marketing to be all that smart.

>>228885
Yea they are still using a system that has shown a steady decrease in their market since its introduction and that really never transitioned well for cable and now that cable is dying and things are going to digital services. Its damned near useless unless one is looking at broadcast television and even then it loses a good portion that only watch the web uploads on the Network site or wait for the again Digital Service copies. They really need to update their thinking.

>>228948
I like how the people who bring us shows are just like us.

In a bad way.

>>228949
Bound to be the cycle eventually.

I really like the way he draws her face though.

Damn it why did I have to get SUPER INTO this show right in a hiatus.

Like
At least with Wakfu I waited until AFTER its final hiatus to start re watching but this
this is gonna be tough.

>>228974
And with as many episodes as its going to have, lot more Hiatus in the future.

>>228975
Hopefully they'll settle that into how they handle Ben 10 and do it from Arc to Arc.

>>228975
Sigh. Guess its part of it.
Maybe its cos I haven't seen it in so long but this seems much better than Adventure Time in several aspects.

...
anyway
Best Gem?

>>228980

Pearl. Always Pearl.

>>228983
Oh for Pearl to fall fro some Scruffy writer type. Just to see her flustered and stuff would be adorable.

>>228993
She seems more like a Neurotic Big Sister character than a mother.

But I think they're all supposed to be different kinds of big sister types so.
She's the most caring of them I suppose, so the tag makes sense.

I like "wannabe mother" more

>>229001
Yea that works, all big sisters learning to deal with losing their Mother/Leader. Something that they still have a hard time coping with.

Since they were Rose's friends/peers, I sort of thought of them like his aunts, but let's not get too hung up on pigeonholing relationships into one "type".

>>229004
Right right, agreed.

I'm just glad the characters are *actually* as nuanced as they are, with Pearl being the obvious standout in that field.

>>229005
Hope we get to see what Rose meant to them and why they feel her loss as strongly as they do after this time.

>>229015
>>229016
>>229017
Are these just art or are there actual albums for this

The fuck is with this show and scheduling?

>>229314
Girls like it, therefore there is a panel of people somewhere in the bowels of CN going "Gentlemen, how do we kill Steven Universe?"

And the answer is how they always kill shows, schedule fuckery.

>>229314
>>229315

I think it has to do with how long it takes episodes to get made and the ridiculously huge contract CN just signed for more episodes (they renewed the show for 52 more episodes even before half of the first 52 aired).

85 eleven-minute episodes of an animated show don't just fall out of the sky, you know.

>>229317
They are getting better new guard has been said to be a bit more old Cartoon Network in their support of the homegrown product.

>>229317
>I think it has to do with how long it takes episodes to get made

Right. Not all animated shows of the same length take the same time to make. I used Excel to check the "cyclic" release rate (i.e. days between show's premier and most recent season premiere divided by episodes before the most recent season) for a bunch of a shows in days per episode. For Cartoon Network's quarter-hour stuff, it can be as little as 8 or 9 (Teen Titans Go!, Regular Show, Adventure Time) to about two weeks (Uncle Grandpa, Gumball) or even 17 (MAD).

Steven Universe is already on the slower side: if the second season premiere happened right after the first season ended, that would average about 13 days per episode, and if it takes past January of next year it, will surpass MAD as the slowest. But it's a very nicely animated show, so I don't mind if it takes longer than usual.

The Good News: Rebbecca is having an AMA about her show tonight.

The Bad News: /co/ is aware of it and might shit it up.

>>229515
Rebbecca is a 4chan regular, I doubt she'd care.

she likely knows who to ignore, where on Reddit will it be held. I've got some questions I'd like some insight into.

>>229515
Someone bring the highlights. I'd rather not waste time with that shit layout.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2e4gmx/i_am_rebecca_sugar_creator_of_steven_universe_and/

Link

>>229544
Besides them necessarily being aliens. They might have been created on Earth. And >>229539 seems to imply they're either born fully grown or have a very different life cycle. Which probably means Steven being born and growing like a human means he'll die of old age the same as a human.

>>229551
>im 12 and instead of asking what this is id rather pretend i know stuff about life and sexuality i learned from the internet.

>>229551
I consider myself pretty up-to-date on the terminology regarding legit trans people and I have no idea what that means. Why do people do this? Every fandom has them. I swear I've seen people claiming that Solid Snake, Megaman, and Joseph Joestar are trans with zero proof and no hint of irony. Why bother? And how does that improve anything for actual trans people (the most common excuse given)? All I can see it doing is make them look even more like a joke or like nutcases which is a shitty enough situation as it is.

>>229590
Some people just want trans representation any way they can get it even if it doesn't make sense, because there's so little of it. Another large portion is trolls and teenagers who are saying it to purposefully be ridiculous, and discredit the notion.

>>229591
Blaming Poe's law is tempting but doesn't explain its popularity in about every fandom these days or why so many clearly nontrolls swaer by them and defend the people who make them. The thing about it is though, most of the people doing this. Aren't. Even. Trans. Or if they claim to be, they're Otherkins or whatever masquerading as transsexuals. You know the faeself types. If anything it's just making a mockery of trans identities.

>>229590
Trolls or ten year olds girls who feel like they're among friends with the trolls.

>>229597

I've seen people refer to themselves as ‘fictivekin’ – they actively identify as fictional characters.

Fucking disgusting.

>>229603
Its nothing new.
Forgetting deviantart circa 2007? The only diff is that now they have a name to give it.

That episode was great.

>>229712

>>229536 happened faster than I expected.

>>229712
Pearl freaking out is never not hillarious.

>>229597
Mostly I hate it cuz a lot of these "progressives" use the most fucked up sexist logic to justify mangling canon for the sake of supposed diversity and representation. A girl isn't the most ultra-stereotypical girly girl? Obviously they must be trans, because anybody who likes playing video games or wearing pants or has boobs smaller than D cups can possibly be female, nope. And if someone isn't a bald steroid monster or enjoys having their nails done they must be a trans girl. Fucking shitting on real-life trans people that's what.

>>229767
*can't possibly be female

>>229767
In their mad dash to make anyone trans, they make straight crossdressers and tomboys invisible. I wonder if the hypocrisy will ever hit them as they grow up.

Fortunately, sane people can just ignore their headcanons so I don't think it's such a big issue.

>>229826
I read that just as I heard it playing.
Freaky.

>>229911
Gotta remember who you are and retain your purpose, or all is lost. Thanks Pat for the Lore rundown. So gonna buy DSII at next sale.

>>229914
Really puts this in better context, especially the fear the gems had.

//youtube.com/watch?v=yxLJkISssJo

God now that I think about it Steven has been in WAAAAAAAAAAY worse danger than anyone besides the gems initially realized.

//youtube.com/watch?v=tmoHkWZgjUg

After two weeks, I just now got the joke of Steven calling the time travel ball "adorbable"...

//youtube.com/watch?v=Q-CpSahta1k

I'm prepped to see where things go with Connie, is she still going to press hard going at Steven.

>SHIELD TRIGGERED BY DESIRE NOT TO FIGHT

THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST

>>230137
>>Monsters are corrupted Gems.

Wasn't that incredibly obvious...pretty much from the moment two monsters in a row had gems that were basically indistinguishable from the Crystal Gems'?

>>230144
But it's confirmed now.

>>230144
What's big is not that we know (it was pretty obvious) but that Steven knows.

>>230138
I think it's triggered by love/compassion.
Thinking back to cookie cat and when he first met Connie.

What I find interesting about this episode is the animosity between the crystals and other gems. Maybe some sort of classism, like based on the purity of the stone? Why did they come to earth at all? Is it a prison for corrupt gems? Are the crystals trying to undo a catastrophic event of some sort?
Damn you Rebecca, leading me on like this. Glad the series didn't end here. That would have pissed me off big time.

>>230148
>Glad the series didn't end here. That would have pissed me off big time.
There was no chance of that happening: this is actually just the midway point of the first season, not the season finale.

And as much as it pissed me off that I had to watch most of the episode on the website because my DVR screwed up, it fortunately reminded me that I still hadn't heard the show's closing theme.

>>230148
>What I find interesting about this episode is the animosity between the crystals and other gems. Maybe some sort of classism, like based on the purity of the stone? Why did they come to earth at all? Is it a prison for corrupt gems? Are the crystals trying to undo a catastrophic event of some sort?

The clearest difference is in priorities: Garnet, Pearl, and Amethyst want to protect the earth even at the cost to other gems; Lapis has a blatant disregard for the earth and the lives of its residence.

And were they even saying the ones who were corrupted into monsters are a different "kind/group" of gem than the crystal gems? I don't remember the wording.

Think Steven will get tricked into releasing/healing an actually malevolent Gem in future episodes, thinking that she's just misunderstood like Lapis was?

>What I find interesting about this episode is the animosity between the crystals and other gems. Maybe some sort of classism, like based on the purity of the stone? Why did they come to earth at all? Is it a prison for corrupt gems? Are the crystals trying to undo a catastrophic event of some sort?

There is a clue in the episode Cookie Cat, "Cookie Cat, Refuge from an interstellar war, Cookie Cat, He left his family behind" *Garnet and Amethyst look at each other in shock

>>230155

At the end of the episode the Gems worry about Lapis having made it home and what will appear, based on the way Lapis refers to the Crystal Gems they appear to be a sub-race or faction that left during some kind of war that she was part of but now rejects, having arrived on earth and bringing their technology, two theories exist on the corruption of the other gems that might both be true, one is that out of their natural habitat they have no means of perfectly maintaining themselves and Roses' various fountains and the like are attempts to achieve healthy conditions for the gems. The other is that gem technology is based almost entirely on slavery which after this episode appears to be very true, The gems order the objects like the mirrors and get very angry when they don't behave properly, additionally many of the monsters are theorized to have been technology fusions that hollowed out and fused to their technology, the war may have been over this and how to deal with the monsters created when the go out of control. Continuing the Dark Souls comparisons Rose probably didn't approve of the Undead Asylum and probably attempted to make Earth something like a hospital for gems but still needed to rely on the slavery based technology despite it upsetting her and failed to discover any way to heal them and ended having to imprison them so they wouldn't hurt people, which is why ONLY Rose has been shown to power things directly off her gem, the others use it more like a key when they interact with technology. The Final Episode of the season is called "The Return" and it's being guessed that Lapis is returning with the other faction of the war to "rescue" the monsters.

>>230154
>And were they even saying the ones who were corrupted into monsters are a different "kind/group" of gem than the crystal gems? I don't remember the wording.
I picked that up from when Lapis told Steven "You're one of them! One of the crystal gems!" and her shock that she was released by one. "Did you even know who I used to be?!" Seems to come from a mindset of oppression. Though that may have just been an effect of the gems assuming she was still corrupt, thus mindless, and her misinterpreting their lack of attempting to communicate with a lack of compassion.

It's just a theory in any case.

>>230030
Did... they change Rose's character design?

>>230244
Don't think so, tall kinda chubby girl in a white dress with a star shaped hole around the naval.

>>230249
She has very Popeye like proportions.

>>230306

Always remember, Pearl is best gem.

>>230455
lol

>>230457
lol yourself buddy.

Pearl looked pretty good in that flight suit, amiright?

Just sayin'

>>230484
pearl is fucking insane if that's what you mean

>>230484
She did. Wonder why she didn't consider actually working with a human government, if they're the ones who knew how to send people into space before.

Wow, no kidding gems don't understand humans. Pearl is crazy. She straight up kidnapped Steven. Doubt his slacker dad will do anything about it in the long run though.

Yeah.
Pearl is still best gem.

>>230495

Told you so.

>>230493
>Doubt his slacker dad will do anything about it in the long run though.
Now hold up. First off, Greg may be kinda lazy, but implying that he wouldn't do what's best for Steven is entirely unjustified. It's been shown several times that he cares deeply about Steven and his safety and is willing to do anything for him. Secondly, does anything need to be done? Pearl came to her senses and realized her mistake. Despite the mature themes and deeper meanings, this is still a children's show. Good people are allowed to apologize for bad mistakes and be forgiven.

>>230622
>First off, Greg may be kinda lazy, but implying that he wouldn't do what's best for Steven is entirely unjustified.

If that were true, now that he knows how dangerous fighting gem monsters and the gem themselves are, he would have cut off Steven from them.

But he won't, because it's a kid's action cartoon. If he did that, the cartoon would end prematurely or he'd be setup as an annoying obstacle, which I again doubt the writers want to do. It's going to be something that the writers will simply ignore, just like other kid's action cartoons.

>>230625
>If that were true, now that he knows how dangerous fighting gem monsters and the gem themselves are, he would have cut off Steven from them.

Doing what's best for someone doesn't always mean keeping them out of harm's way 24/7. Steven has shown his dad first-hand that he is capable of defending himself, and whatever reason Greg let the gems have such a large hand in raising him still stands.

You know, it occurs to me that we know very little about why Steven lives with the gems. I assume it was to ensure that he received the training he needed to master his gem powers, but how exactly did the decision go down? What convinced Greg, who by all indications wants to be a loving and attentive father, to give up custody? Was Rose somehow involved in the decision? So many Q's.

There's a big difference between letting your little kid ride their bikes unsupervised or stay out late, and knowingly letting them go to out to fight literal monsters.

Not to mention, Steven doesn't even know what school is. He is literally uneducated.

Episodes are taking too long. Time for internet stuff:

//youtube.com/watch?v=2tj4Q6xtgjo

>>230628
There's a big difference between regular kids and Steven, especially in terms of how capable they are of surviving danger.

Somebody clearly took the time to teach him how to read, so he isn't completely uneducated. If he's going to be a gem warrior, then he doesn't need a formal education.

https://mega.co.nz/#!i9h3TYoa!k1P9TkgVay2YAbxqVj6fRv7zQr1OdNZj04WCS3dIKd0

download link.

Also, Avery is to thank for all links I provide, just to be clear.

good ep good ep

So if a gem splits into shards, the shards are still active and able to manifest parts of bodies.

This has some weird implications. Are they sentient or have any memories of when they were a whole? Does every part of the gem correspond to a part of the bodies they make (like a gem losing a chip would result in their body missing pieces)? Are the Crystal Gems holding onto them because they can somehow be repaired or for... something else?

>>230673
>Are they sentient or have any memories of when they were a whole?

"Mindless gem shards"

>Does every part of the gem correspond to a part of the bodies they make (like a gem losing a chip would result in their body missing pieces)?

Probably not since they all turned into arms. Unless that was a collection of arm shards from various gems, which would be odd.

>Are the Crystal Gems holding onto them because they can somehow be repaired or for... something else?

That was one of Rose's bubbles, and we already know that Rose spent a lot of time and energy trying to heal corrupted gems to no avail. So probably to try and repair them, yeah.

//youtube.com/watch?v=02XGqLnijy4

I laughed for like a solid fucking minute.

>>230683

God I love this show.

Thanks Avery.

https://mega.co.nz/#!elYFlYZJ!xTC2bNj3XwWgWF6n976HNS07KR9K2zSrLCXE4er5ZhE

That went weird places I did not expect. This show keeps surprising me.

And seriously, I think it has my favorite character designs in... any cartoon ever. Everyone looks so distinct and expressive, but aesthetically pleasing at the same time. Lars especially looks bizarre at first, but had a bunch of really great expression in this episode. I'm also impressed that it had Lars and Sadie making out without it being super-weird looking.

Does Pearl have a thing about transforming?
I've never seen her alter her form outside of the outfit change when she resurrected.

Also, god damn the reactions in this episode. I adore the art direction.

>>231155
Pearl very likely has trouble shape shifting, being so inflexible unlike Amethyst or even Garnet.

>>231155
>>231156
This is something Sugar mentioned on the AMA: all gems can potentially shape shift, Amethyst is just especially good at it and Pearl not very good.

"Catfingers" showed the results of reckless shapeshifting can be pretty dire, so it's understandable to not try if you don't have to.

>>231149
Nnnnnnot my favourite ep.
Though it really does help sorta pin down where exactly the writers are coming from when making this.

dubs, btw.

>>231155
She's also the only one who's made holograms.

>>231160
>Nnnnnnot my favourite ep.

Ronaldo wasn't as funny in the actual show as I'd expected from his blog. Maybe I was just bothered by how the whole episode takes the bit about no one noticing or caring how weird the gems are to the most baffling extent possible.

>>231170
That last thing about sentient rock people...isn't that kind of what the gems are?
How much do the citizens even know about the gems and why do they seem to take it in stride?

>>231171
The gems have been around for what seems to be the entirety of human civilization. They're a simple fact of life.

>>231171
>isn't that kind of what the gems are?

It's exactly what they are: the public don't just accept the gems as normal, they're ignorant of what they are and ignore everything they do as much as possible.

Kofi treats his shop being destroyed during a monster attack like someone getting a fender bender. Nanafua assumed the gems were as old as they looked instead of thousands of years old. The only reason people complained about the whole ocean disappearing was its effect on tourism.

It's hard to tell if there's any real reason, or just that the writers don't want to write about global consequences and such and are being self-aware about it.

//youtube.com/watch?v=Rmit9fPSfko

Oh my god garnet is the best.

I kinda like how Connie's parents are super strict.
Makes for an interesting dynamic.

Alex is...odd.

Your semi-regular reminder that Pearl is best gem.

:3

>>231306
Keep believing that while Garnet continues to prove that she is best Gem

//youtube.com/watch?v=O0rSNbQH6Jo

>>231309
She's... a serious contender!

>>231309

…Pearl is still best gem, but Garnet is a damn close #2.

>>231375
The temple door has five gems on it because there are five gems amongst the Crystal Gems; one each for Amethyst, Pearl, and Rose, and two for Garnet. Garnet uses both of her gems to open the door to her room. If there is something weird about Garnet having two gems, the door doesn't seem to be related to that.

>>231440
Couldn't watch more than 3 minutes of it. Awful ep

>>231441
lol

>>231440
Dude what, it's so cute!!

>>231440
Adorable and Awesome.

>>231440
Hah! Really liked all the visual freedom they allowed themselves with this ep.

>>231558
Opened up a lot questions in this one.

I love how this show can exist and I love that it can have emotional touching episodes like this.

I (and I'm sure other people) figured that Steven having Rose's gem made him as much her reincarnation as her son but never thought they'd be so explicit about it. And that way she put it was just... beautiful. I'd never come close to thinking about it that way.

Just to reiterate: the show did exactly what I expected it to do, but I'm still completely surprised. Jesus, this show.

>>231835
>>231836
And all this: the way it does world-building is just so amazing. Most of it comes from small bits of exposition for what's immediately relevant to the plot or in freeze-frame shots. But it all comes together to make a very cogent setting where you can figure out a decent amount of things without them being said. But even when you're right, it surprises you in other ways!